Regal Angel Primer

ThRoewer said:
I would lower the salinity to somewhere between 1.016 and 1.020. It will lower the stress and energy consumption for the fish and increase the oxygen solubility of the water.

Don't do a freshwater bath. In my experience it doesn't do anything good but stresses the fish a lot.
If skin flukes or ich are of concern I would recommend going to full therapeutic hyposalinity. In my experience Regals handle that very well.

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Salinity is now at 1.020. He seems to be breathing slightly slower (before I lowered the salinity). Perhaps he's calming down and making a comeback. There is a white fluke floating in the water that is half red (blood I assume). Poor guy may have been loaded with these critters. I probably should have done Prazipro first.
 
UncleSalt said:
Salinity is now at 1.020. He seems to be breathing slightly slower (before I lowered the salinity). Perhaps he's calming down and making a comeback. There is a white fluke floating in the water that is half red (blood I assume). Poor guy may have been loaded with these critters. I probably should have done Prazipro first.
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Yes, TTM on Regals (actually on any fish) is not a good idea...

Did you check the PH after lowering the salinity?

And temp?
 
TTM is only effective against ich, nothing else. And ich is usually escalating slowly enough that you can start treatment when it actually shows up.
With sensitive fish or those that are finicky eaters doing TTM right away is not a good idea.

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I am sorry to report that he is no longer with us. I placed his body in a freshwater container - and within minutes there were tons of little white things escaping his body. I think its safe to say this was a flukes issue getting to him.

I have called Live Aquaria and they are shipping out another.

I don't have the ability to manage Hypo, TTM is my best bet and my display is ich free.

When the new guys come in on Tuesday, should I do a Prazipro bath first (actually just leave it in the 20L and replace with water changes) and monitor him for awhile?
 
scuzy said:
I've ttm many fishes I don't see ttm an issue.

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TTM is almost useless - it ONLY "works" on ich - nothing else.

And most people do it without even seeing any signs of ich.

Ich can be treated by so many other ways without stressing fish - especially delicate ones like the Regal.
 
ThRoewer said:
TTM is only effective against ich, nothing else. And ich is usually escalating slowly enough that you can start treatment when it actually shows up.
With sensitive fish or those that are finicky eaters doing TTM right away is not a good idea.
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Exactly.
 
UncleSalt said:
I am sorry to report that he is no longer with us. I placed his body in a freshwater container - and within minutes there were tons of little white things escaping his body. I think its safe to say this was a flukes issue getting to him.

I have called Live Aquaria and they are shipping out another.

I don't have the ability to manage Hypo, TTM is my best bet and my display is ich free.

When the new guys come in on Tuesday, should I do a Prazipro bath first (actually just leave it in the 20L and replace with water changes) and monitor him for awhile?
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So sorry to hear that... :(

Before getting your new Regal, please take a look at these:

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/1/aafeature2

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2006/3/aafeature1
 
I just went through 6 weeks or so of QT on my regal and I did this:

1. Fish arrived and put into formalin bath for 20 min and then into 20 long QT with some live rock and a big pvc pipe to hide in.
2. Observed fish for a few days and offered huge variety of foods from frozen to clam to pellets and flakes.
3. Noticed vigorous head shaking and being fairly lethargic so I did a round of prazi pro
4. Appetite then came back and it ate everything I offered previously.
5. Did a second round of prazi and observed for the next near 4 weeks.
6. Notice inch like spots around the 4 week mark. I was concerned for velvet though since it looked like a dusting instead of salt grains, he didn't eat and it basically showed symptoms over night. I did also see him scratching on the live rock as well. That day I put into a formalin dip and into TTM. After 3 daily transfers he was acting like he was prior to symptoms and he was eating everything again. I was relieved it was not velvet.
7. Did daily transfers for a total of 11 to help minimize ammonia issues since he is a bit larger and I fed heavily. I did not see any real stress signs and he was just hanging out in his pvc "cave" like previously in the QT. I used 5 gallon buckets since it's all I really can maintain in the apartment for it.
8. Once done with TTM I put into the display and after a few shy days he has been out swimming around and eating like a pig.

It's been about 3 weeks since he has been in the display and So far so good. He is a fat fish and looking real healthy to me so I am happy about that. 2 months total is not a success story IMO but I have thus far been successful getting rid of surely flukes and ich now. My thought on the buckets is that it's not ideal but it was better than having parasites eating away at him. I only was going to do ttm if needed and I clearly had to. If you know you have an ich infested fish (or suspect it), I think we should do what you can to help the fish whether your preferred method is hypo, copper or ttm. I personally have used all 3 before and find ttm to work best for me in my current living situation. I have a purple tang who got ich bad before due to my lazy QT of a fish and it clearly suffered, so I will do what I can to make sure my ich prone fish doesn't have it again. I do not want to break down the tank and go fallow again if I can avoid it. I'm currently stockpiling what I need for a much needed upgrade when I move out of my apartment. hopefully that will also allow the space for more QT space when I need it so I don't have to use my kitchen counter and guest bathroom lol
 
UncleSalt said:
I have called Live Aquaria and they are shipping out another.
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It's probably safe to assume that all of these juvi Regals came in with the same shipment and kept in the same holding system... Does that mean that there's a good chance that they're all infected?
 
albano said:
It's probably safe to assume that all of these juvi Regals came in with the same shipment and kept in the same holding system... Does that mean that there's a good chance that they're all infected?
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I am certainly treating the one that comes in like it's infected. I'm just so bummed. I've always wanted a misbar and got lucky enough to get one.... :(


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UncleSalt said:
I am certainly treating the one that comes in like it's infected. I'm just so bummed. I've always wanted a misbar and got lucky enough to get one.... :(


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Aw man. I am so sorry to hear this. Sorry I forgot to reply to your PM...


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Yeah I assume all fish has something since it's virtually impossible that they were not exposed at some point during their journey to our tanks (unless you got it sent direct from the collector maybe). Sorry for your loss! I always get so bummed when I lose a fish. Hopefully this next one comes in better for you.
 
Regal Angel Primer

My regal went through formalin baths for 45 minutes, then ttm, prazi for during ttm and into qt for two weeks before there display. No issues here. It all depends on how healthy of a speciment you got and how healthy it is.


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albano said:
It's probably safe to assume that all of these juvi Regals came in with the same shipment and kept in the same holding system... Does that mean that there's a good chance that they're all infected?
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I always assume every angel has flukes. I do a 45 min formalin bath on every angel on arrival and pazipro in the quarantine tanks. Mine still seems to be doing pretty well. It arrived last Tuesday. It's not eating as aggressively as I'd like but it is eating some mysis, clams, and mussels. No luck on pellets yet. I'm hoping it will join my other one in he next few weeks.

Question for those with pairs, did you set them up in an acclimation box when introducing them or just put them together and let the squabble for a bit. The current one I have in the tank is about 3.5-4 inches. The new one is about 3".
 
Update on my rs regal, i'm on week 3 and he is not eating. He shows interest in pellets and mysis, but only nipping at it. He came down with lymph the first week and I have since placed him in his own 20 gallon qt tank. The lymph seems to be clearing up, hopefully he will start eating soon. Will keep offering different food choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8iHNNTWdQ
 
heuerfan said:
Update on my rs regal, i'm on week 3 and he is not eating. He shows interest in pellets and mysis, but only nipping at it. He came down with lymph the first week and I have since placed him in his own 20 gallon qt tank. The lymph seems to be clearing up, hopefully he will start eating soon. Will keep offering different food choices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-8iHNNTWdQ
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What types of food have you tried so far?
 
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