Return Pump and Circulation for a 210g

[NASAGeek]

I was wondering what other folks are using??

I used a Jebao 12000 on my 120g and it's worked flawlessly for a few years. It's running a manifold driving my GFO/Carbon, Chiller, and Refugium.

The new pump will purely be a return pump for the 210g... 4-5ft of head. I'd like at least 2000gph of flow.

Seems like a Jebao 12000 will do that.... but before buying wanted to solicit opinions.

I also had Gyre's in my 120g for circulation. They just didn't seem very durable. I was thinking about the Jebao knock offs as an alternative for lesser price.

I'd appreciate feedback on both....

Also, if anyone has any experience with the Apex Aqualink controllers for Jebao stuff... I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Thanks
Mark

 

[NASAGeek]

Any thoughts on a good 2000gph return at 5ft head??

 

[LXXero]

a DC12000 is probably nearly enough for a 210g...i was even thinking a DC10000 would be OK on my 120g, so i'd almost think the 12000 might be fine for the 210g? if you wanted something even bigger and still DC, your options are limited and it gets expensive, you might be looking at abyzz if you're looking for much over 3000GPH....

outside of that, there's AC pumps that are much cheaper that would work. fluval sp6 would give you around 2000gph @ 6ft head..

 

[RedStangGA]

Just curious, what size sump? 2000gph is a lot of flow. May not need to go that high.

 

[NASAGeek]

Here's a question.... is it cheaper... easier... to get two pumps to achieve 2000gph than it is to get one pump to get 2000gph.

For one pump at 5-6ft to achieve 2000gph, the pumps start to either be margin performance or get rather expensive. If instead I got two pumps.... its relatively easy to find pumps capable of 1000gph.... run two.....

The heat load might be higher.... but I've got a chiller....

Thoughts???

M

 

[Lsufan]

I don't have any experience with DC pumps but I love my fluval sp6, I wouldn't trade it for anything in its price range. It is a powerful pump though, I have it feeding the dt, a couple reactors & my fuge & I still have it valved down & getting 1500 gph through the sump

 

[NASAGeek]

I've got a 210g display, 120g secondary tank (refugium or RDSB) and a 40 gal sump.

The 210 and the 120g both return to the 40g. The only thing I have in the sump currently is the return pumps. Thus, it'll be filled sufficiently to prevent air from being sucked into the pumps and (hopefully) empty enough such that when the pumps shut down it can handle the "off state" without overflowing.

I've just found that "high turnover" helps.... so I'm trying to get some good flow going. If 2000gph is too much for a 210g, I am "trusting" the forum to steer me in a wiser direction.

M

 

[Lsufan]

I wouldn't say that 2000 gph is to much for a 210 but I think u will have trouble flowing it through a 40 breeder sump & still be relatively quiet. I think once u get over about 1200 gph u will start noticing it getting louder but I don't think u will get over about 1500 gph without it sounding like a river running through the 40 breeder. I like to run everything off of one pump so I tend to get return pumps that are overkill so I know I won't have any issues. I just valve them back so I have the flow through the sump that I want. I run a little higher flow than most people at about 10 times turnover & it works for me.

 

[LXXero]

yeah i agree 2000gph through the sump will be a lot of flow, FOR the sump...not for the tank. People run many many thousands of GPH in the tank via wavepumps/powerheads and the like. My sump DOES sound like a waterfall, lol. It's even got a full siphon drain, problem is, it wasn't meant to handle 1300-1400GPH, the sump is flat out rated for 700gph or so...nearly half what i'm putting through it.

The water literally jets out of the return tubes and would jet up out and into the socks, which was so ridiculously noisy that I had to do some bizarre stuff like cut holes in the side of my return pipes above the water level so that i get some water jetting out to the sides to help quiet the flow...Yeah, it's quieter to have water jetting out the sides than it is not to, lol. You make do with what you got sometimes though. It doesn't bother me that much because I'm always running a fan or something in here, and that drowns it out anyway.

here's something else to consider when you're thinking about 1 pump vs 2 pumps. Heat. 2 pumps is going to more than likely put more heat into your water than one single, larger pump...

you can't go wrong with a fluval sp6 if you want something cheap/affordable. although I suspect that DC12000 would work too even though it's a little less flow. my 120g has the fluval sp4 but i'm almost regretting i didn't do the DC10000 on it now that i have a dc6000 on my 60 cube and am loving that thing.

 

[NASAGeek]

I am currently looking at the Jebao DCT15000. It should get me 2400gph at 6 ft and I can dial it back to whatever works. It's under $150 as well.

I'm also thinking of running 2" pipe from the pump into my two 1" supply bulkheads in the tank to reduce friction in the pipe.

I also have the sump in a utility room... door closed and separated from the main living area.

 

[Reel North]

I have a wave line. It's awesome. A bit more than the jaebo but better quality.

I have a 220g sps reef, and I'm only running maybe 800 gph through the sump.

I have likely 8-10k gph IN THE TANK.

I HAVE A TUNZE 6095 and 2 mp40 QD. I need another, large pump in the tank and I'm all set.

 

[LXXero]

I am currently looking at the Jebao DCT15000. It should get me 2400gph at 6 ft and I can dial it back to whatever works. It's under $150 as well.

I'm also thinking of running 2" pipe from the pump into my two 1" supply bulkheads in the tank to reduce friction in the pipe.

I also have the sump in a utility room... door closed and separated from the main living area.

You may wanna wait and see if they come out with a DCP15000, might be the reason the price dropped, they are coming out with a new DCP line to replace the DCT line as we speak.

I didnt even realize they made one bigger than the 12000, lol. I say go for it.

I would suggest using the same diameter as the pump's output and reduce it as far down the chain as possible....I wouldn't upsize it though, not sure there'd be a benefit unless you're going down to barb fittings or other restrictive fittings.

 

[RedStangGA]

I have a wave line. It's awesome. A bit more than the jaebo but better quality.

I have a 220g sps reef, and I'm only running maybe 800 gph through the sump.

I have likely 8-10k gph IN THE TANK.

I HAVE A TUNZE 6095 and 2 mp40 QD. I need another, large pump in the tank and I'm all set.

This is what I was hinting at. You definitely want high turnover, but not necessarily via the return. I'll be running ~600-800gph through my sump, also a 40 breeder, because that matches up well with the skimmer I've chosen. I have a 210/200 display as well.

I have one MP40 and may just bite the bullet and grab an MP60 to pair with the 40.

To the OP, are you sure your overflows can handle 2000gph? If you do go with the Jebao or similar DC pump, by two. My Waveline was pretty solid while it lasted but it only lasted 2 years. Nice thing is they are inexpensive and you can just dial them back to get flow where you want/need it.

 

[Ron Reefman]

I just got a used DCT15000 that a friend bought and found it was more then he wanted after just a month. I'm putting it in my new CadLight 125g with a 50g display refugium. I had a 180g DT with a 75g DT next to it, a 180g refugium/sump and a remote chiller (behind the house) and ran it all with an original DC12000 for several years until the 180g tank sprang a silicone leak and became useless!

 

[Vinny Kreyling]

I ran my 250 with a Waveline 10000, when it died I had a Waveline 12000 for backup & it runs on level 4 now.