Revive and possible SPS death

[Tig_Tech]

I was told by a vender recently that Revive kills SPS corals and was recommended to switch to Bayer from now on. Anybody else have any negative impacts using Revive as their dip?

 

[Andrew D]

no, i use revive and have never had a problem. I'd be very interested in other opinions though. never too old to learn.

 

[bobssecrtsn]

Actually, There are alot of threads that people have had bad experience with Revive, its harsh especially on smooth skin acro or deep water acros.

But yes. Bayer does the job well, and it doesnt stress the acro's out much.

 

[Tig_Tech]

Yup, just found the threads. That's a shame Revive is that harsh being an all natural product.

 

[spkennyva]

I use Revive at the recommended dose and have found that it is indeed harsh on acros. I recently had to dip a ranbow tort and saw some tissue damage. I dipped it for about 7 minutes. The frag survived, but definitely was harmed.

 

[Reef Frog]

Hmm. I've dipped every acro I've tried to keep with Revive. I've had tissue loss consistent with STN despite having stable alk and other parameters being spot on. Now I have wonder if the Revive was responsible or played a part. Did the problems you had with with tissue loss with Revive look similar to STN/RTN?

Any experience or opinions on iodine dips like the Seachem product?

 

[icy1155]

I have had revive cause RTN when used as a dip for some of the more delicate smooth skinned acros. I always use Bayer as a pest dip now and if something need a medicated dip then its a Lugols.

 

[m0nkie]

Any experience or opinions on iodine dips like the Seachem product?

I've dipped everything in lugol without any harm. including smooth skin acros

 

[sahin]

Actually, There are alot of threads that people have had bad experience with Revive, its harsh especially on smooth skin acro or deep water acros.

But yes. Bayer does the job well, and it doesnt stress the acro's out much.

Revive is harsh on smooth skinned acros. But since Bayer is not available in the UK, I've been using Revive for around 10 years without issues.

Last year I beat AEFW's and had to use Revive as a dip for 3 long months... I did not lose a single acro. That includes smooth skinned acros. I simply adjusted the dosage and time for smooth skinned and took extra care not to blast them too harshly.

I dipped my LFS's corals for them using CoralRX. I found that was less harsh; but it took longer for the AEFW's to come off the corals...at first they wouldnt believe me when I told them they had AEFW's on their acro frags...until they saw the AEFW's come off the corals a few mins later...whilst with Revive, I found that the AEFW's detach from the coral fairly quickly.

Bayer is reported to be best dip out there currently in terms of coral survival.

 

[bobssecrtsn]

Revive is harsh on smooth skinned acros. But since Bayer is not available in the UK, I've been using Revive for around 10 years without issues.

Last year I beat AEFW's and had to use Revive as a dip for 3 long months... I did not lose a single acro. That includes smooth skinned acros. I simply adjusted the dosage and time for smooth skinned and took extra care not to blast them too harshly.

I dipped my LFS's corals for them using CoralRX. I found that was less harsh; but it took longer for the AEFW's to come off the corals...at first they wouldnt believe me when I told them they had AEFW's on their acro frags...until they saw the AEFW's come off the corals a few mins later...whilst with Revive, I found that the AEFW's detach from the coral fairly quickly.

Bayer is reported to be best dip out there currently in terms of coral survival.

Maybe you should move to the U.S... :lolspin:

jk, Sahin experienced it, so take his word !

 

[Reefvet]

I've used Revive on hundreds of corals, all sorts of smooth skin SPS and never had an issue. LFS has used it on everything for years as well. No problems whatsoever.

 

[sahin]

Maybe you should move to the U.S... :lolspin:

jk, Sahin experienced it, so take his word !

I've used Revive on hundreds of corals, all sorts of smooth skin SPS and never had an issue. LFS has used it on everything for years as well. No problems whatsoever.

I'd love to move to the USA. I have many relatives dotted around USA...but none of them are into reefkeeping! :headwallblue: Reefkeeping in the UK is on a much smaller scale.

Anyway, as you can see Reefvet has "spoken" so there you have it. :lol2:

 

[spkennyva]

Did the problems you had with with tissue loss with Revive look similar to STN/RTN?

I got a really nice acro frag a few weeks ago and dipped it in Revive after acclimation and prior to placing it in the DT. The coral RTN'd and was completely gone in slightly more than 1 day. That was the first RTN I witnessed ever, so don't want to sound like an expert - I'm not! Other Revive related incidents (I believe) were more like isolated tissue loss. All these acros other than the one that RTN'd survived, and are now healthy and recovering from the tissue loss.

BTW, Today I'm picking up another frag of the same acro that RTN'd and plan to use Bayer for the first time.

 

[Reefvet]

Anyway, as you can see Reefvet has "spoken" so there you have it. :lol2:

Hah! I wish my students and fellow researchers felt that way :thumbsup:

The primary ingredient in Revive is Tea Tree Oil. If you're killing coral with it you've used it for too long or at a very, very high concentration. IF the coral you treated within the normal dosage and time recommended shows stress it's because that coral was unhealthy to begin with. Smoothskin are no more sensitive to it than any other coral.

I use it at 10X normal dosage for some pests like Nudibranchs and have never stressed a healthy coral. I dip for 5-6 mins and then rinse that coral repeatedly in fresh seawater before returning it to a system.

A colleague took my advice on the high dosage and repeated it 4 days in a row. THAT coral didn't look good afterwards but it did survive.

 

[MondoBongo]

Hmm. I've dipped every acro I've tried to keep with Revive. I've had tissue loss consistent with STN despite having stable alk and other parameters being spot on. Now I have wonder if the Revive was responsible or played a part. Did the problems you had with with tissue loss with Revive look similar to STN/RTN?

Any experience or opinions on iodine dips like the Seachem product?

i've used the SeaChem "Reef Dip" on a variety of corals and never had any issues i could directly attribute to it.

i've actually used it as a two stage dip, with the first stage being RPS All Out, now replaced by Bayer insecticide, then a rinse in fresh saltwater, then in to the SeaChem Reef Dip, then another rinse, and in to the tank.

 

[watchguy123]

I think every "dip" with a pesticide or "dipping agent" like revive or coral rx has the potential to stress and/or harm the coral that we are trying to treat. Frags are sensitive to all the changes around them from simply handling while being fragged, being out of water, rapid parameter changes from one tank to another, new flow and lighting schemes, the strange and unusual physical and chemical properties of the dip being utilized, on and on. I think it speaks highly to the incredible survival success of coral that just a few frags are lost compared to the large numbers that survive going through the process of being trimmed and shipped off to a new home. I would always like a kinder, more Eco-friendly, easy to use, kill all the bad stuff and none of the good stuff dip, but for now, I'll continue to use bayer and enjoy my success and try not to overly mourn my few losses. As we share our experiences, we hopefully learn how to diminish the morbidity and mortality of coral through the "dipping process". And indeed, we do seem to be tweaking or adjusting are dipping protocols over time. Although for now, overkill makes more sense than under kill when it comes to aefw.

Ultimately we have two goals: 1) kill or remove unwanted pests 2) don't kill or harm the coral being treated. And by all means, nobody wants an infected sps with aefw to somehow get past our preventative measures. Absolutely want all aefw killed or gone on all newly imported frags and the absence of eggs ( unless and until we find a natural predator or an in tank treatment that is not harmful to the display and its desirable inhabitants.)

 

[Andrew D]

hmmm, very helpful thread, I'm starting to question some of my own losses having used Revive for years. Anyone know where to get bayer in Canada?

 

[tc2007]

I lost 4 frags last month. Bonsai, Hawkins, Birds Nest and Bird Of Paradise. All 4 were dipped in Revive and STNed in a few days. I may try a different batch of frags but won't dip in Revive this time.

 

[spkennyva]

I got a really nice acro frag a few weeks ago and dipped it in Revive after acclimation and prior to placing it in the DT. The coral RTN'd and was completely gone in slightly more than 1 day. That was the first RTN I witnessed ever, so don't want to sound like an expert - I'm not! Other Revive related incidents (I believe) were more like isolated tissue loss. All these acros other than the one that RTN'd survived, and are now healthy and recovering from the tissue loss.

BTW, Today I'm picking up another frag of the same acro that RTN'd and plan to use Bayer for the first time.

Just reporting the outcome with the identical frag that this time was dipped in Bayer. Much to my surprise, it RTN'd exactly as the first one. This suggests that the first loss had nothing to do with Revive. Not sure why this particular coral doesn't tolerate the move to my tank. I've got several different acros, and the LFS has had the parent colony for many months. Needless to say, I won't try this coral a third time....

 

[IceFire5]

I use revive to dip , as I learn, I mix with 50% of the recommended dosage . This will bring the chance of over stress the infected sps. And survive rates has increase.