Rid-Ich+

[t5Nitro]

I've purchased Rid-Ich+ to treat a tang with ich because I don't have any stores that carry copper treatments near me. Has anyone ever used this stuff before? It contains salt of malachite green, zinc free chloride, and formalin.

If so, were the results good? Do you repeat dosage each day etc? After the med. has been used, can I use this tote again? (I used this tote to mix new saltwater).

Thanks

 

[abulgin]

Yes, this is formalin and malachite green. It is effective against ich, although formalin alone would be fine. To make this work, however, you need to employ AERATED pH adjusted freshwater dips, for 5-7 minutes, once a day for a week or more. I wouldn't recommend dosing the tank with this, as it is highly toxic. Basically, you would treat the hospital tank with hyposalinity, siphon the bare bottom every night, and also dip the fish once or twice per day.

 

[t5Nitro]

I don't want to deal with pH swings of hypo treatments and freshwater dips. So what do I need to purchase?

 

[abulgin]

Either you're committed to curing the fish or you're not . . . I told you how to treat the fish . . .

Hypo doesn't cause pH swings. Creating a pH freshwater dip is as simple as (1) a gallon of tap water same temp as tank, (2) adding a dechlorinator like Prime, and (3) adding a 1/4 tsp of baking soda.

 

[kau_cinta_ku]

I agree, hypo, copper and tank transfer are the only true methods of cureing ich. rid ich is basically snake oil IMO.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070067#post13070067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kau_cinta_ku
I agree, hypo, copper and tank transfer are the only true methods of cureing ich. rid ich is basically snake oil IMO.

No, you're thinking of Kick Ich, which is pepper sauce/salad dressing. RidIch is a very effective medicine--formalin and malachite green.

 

[t5Nitro]

I was always told FW dips caused major stress on fish. And you say do it for 5-7 minutes at a time, each day?

If I do happen to do it, that is the formula, it's 1/4 tsp baking soda per gallon and dip him?

Would putting the fish in the 10 gallon tote with rid-ich+ and just dipping him in RO/DI (same temp, 1/4 tsp baking soda dissolved) once a day work alright?

 

[kau_cinta_ku]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070263#post13070263 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
No, you're thinking of Kick Ich, which is pepper sauce/salad dressing. RidIch is a very effective medicine--formalin and malachite green.

I may have those mixed up but still I don't beleive ridich is still a proven way to cure ich. maybe other disease but I have not seen any articals stating it was a sure proven treatment for ich.

 

[abulgin]

Formalin absolutley cures ich, but you have to do it using dips unlike copper/hypo.

OP--you can't use RO/DI for dips. You need to read some books on treating fish--too much to state here.

 

[snorvich]

Excuse me, but what is this great sounding salad dressing?



And I agree with the treatment protocol for ich above. There are no proven products that treat for ich other than copper, hyposalinity. Formalin dips are used by some LFS prior to accepting fish. That is probably too stressful for a fish just out of transport.

 

[otrlynn]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070553#post13070553 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Formalin absolutley cures ich, but you have to do it using dips unlike copper/hypo.

OP--you can't use RO/DI for dips. You need to read some books on treating fish--too much to state here.

Abulgin, just to satisfy a question I've never seen answered, why can't you use RODI for freshwater dips? If it is due to low oxygen, couldn't you just oxygenate it with an airstone first?

 

[t5Nitro]

Ok, well I do have some dechlorinator from when I started the hobby anyways. I will do that I guess. Put the tang in the rid-ich 10 gallons and once a day tap water + 1/4 tsp baking soda dip.

Thanks again, I will only do this if I can catch him :lol:

Abulgin, this tote I will be putting the fish in is what I mix new saltawter in. After I treat this tote with rid-ich+, is it safe to continue using it for mixing new saltwater for the main tank or not?

Thanks again.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070617#post13070617 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by otrlynn
Abulgin, just to satisfy a question I've never seen answered, why can't you use RODI for freshwater dips? If it is due to low oxygen, couldn't you just oxygenate it with an airstone first?

Low oxygen which can be fixed with aeration as you state but also because RO is demineralized water.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070632#post13070632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
Ok, well I do have some dechlorinator from when I started the hobby anyways. I will do that I guess. Put the tang in the rid-ich 10 gallons and once a day tap water + 1/4 tsp baking soda dip.

Thanks again, I will only do this if I can catch him :lol:

Abulgin, this tote I will be putting the fish in is what I mix new saltawter in. After I treat this tote with rid-ich+, is it safe to continue using it for mixing new saltwater for the main tank or not?

Thanks again.

Personally, I wouldn't use the tote for mixing water for your main display. If it's inert material, probably not a big issue after thoroughly rinsing but why take the risk.

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070592#post13070592 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by snorvich
Excuse me, but what is this great sounding salad dressing?



And I agree with the treatment protocol for ich above. There are no proven products that treat for ich other than copper, hyposalinity. Formalin dips are used by some LFS prior to accepting fish. That is probably too stressful for a fish just out of transport.

Like you've never poured Kick Ich on your Papa Johns pizza . . .

 

[t5Nitro]

Alright, so what I have currently is a 10 gallon tote full of tank water with heater, small powerhead, and small air pump. I have a "cave" made out of PVC pipes that I superglued together. Right now it's drying. Do I have everything I need to put the fish in and go then? I will slowly introduce the 5ml of Rid-Ich+ once I get the fish in the water, assuming I can catch him. Other than that, everything look good abulgin?

 

[abulgin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13071055#post13071055 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by t5Nitro
Alright, so what I have currently is a 10 gallon tote full of tank water with heater, small powerhead, and small air pump. I have a "cave" made out of PVC pipes that I superglued together. Right now it's drying. Do I have everything I need to put the fish in and go then? I will slowly introduce the 5ml of Rid-Ich+ once I get the fish in the water, assuming I can catch him. Other than that, everything look good abulgin?

Unless you're prepared to do massive water changes every day, I would add some type of filter--such as a cheap corner sponge filter, although the formalin will likely kill your biofilter anyway

 

[t5Nitro]

How about some bioballs? :lol: Or what about those porous cylinder shaped filter media? Would either of those work for just setting them in the water? That is stuff I have on hand.

 

[qfrisco]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13070056#post13070056 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by abulgin
Either you're committed to curing the fish or you're not . . . I told you how to treat the fish . . .

Hypo doesn't cause pH swings. Creating a pH freshwater dip is as simple as (1) a gallon of tap water same temp as tank, (2) adding a dechlorinator like Prime, and (3) adding a 1/4 tsp of baking soda.

abulgin - question on the baking soda - this is to buffer the pH, right? Is it possible to overdose the baking soda and have the pH go too high?

 

[otrlynn]

I must be "morning stupid" here, but it seemed like the original suggestion was to use the Rid-Ick as a 5-7 min. daily dip with aerated, de-chlorinated tap water and use hypo in the hospital tank. The way I'm reading this is that the OP is adding the Rid-Ich to the QT water. Please someone clarify???