Ritteri losing tentacles

[CTaylor]

Hi
My ritteris are currently in treatment with cipro. THey seemed to be slowly getting better. It's been since this past Saturday night (from what i read they should be better by now, they are not). But they are losing there tentacles along with 'poop'. There are black spots in the balls of mess that accumulates as well. This seemed to really start happening on Tuesday, when they got a new tennant of my sick sebae (lucky me). The sebae was fine until a few days after I put the ritteri's in DT, by the way.

I ended up disposing of the sebae -- it was just disintigrating. But it seems since then is when the ritt's have been losing tentcales in these little balls. I believe they are tentacles, b/c there are little defleated tubes with yellow tips wrapped up in the balls of excretion. I think it basically means the ritts are on the way out (?) ... What can I do, if anything?

TY!

 

[Led reef]

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[CTaylor]

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Yes cipro is what they are being treated with

 

[ThRoewer]

Continue treatment and water changes. The anemone in the picture doesn't look too bad actually.

 

[CTaylor]

Thanks TheR ..
It doesnt on a pic on its own, but knowing that the loss of tentacles seems to be increasing now.. and i see overall they are both looking worse day by day. With that context, to me (as a non expert) it doesn't look too good. But I will continue .. but I have a feelling they will fall apart in the next 2 days, just a feeling, and based on the acceleration of the tentacle loss, and less healthy daily.

 

[ThRoewer]

I kind of doubt those are actually tentacles. More likely those are mesenterial filaments.
Try taking a close-up picture of those expelled tentacles.

Also, I would be careful to buy from saltwaterfish.com any time soon again.

 

[CTaylor]

I kind of doubt those are actually tentacles. More likely those are mesenterial filaments.
Try taking a close-up picture of those expelled tentacles.

Also, I would be careful to buy from saltwaterfish.com any time soon again.

I will when I get back home.. but they have the yellow tips on them just like the tentacles.. and there actually seem to be less tentacles on the nem.. now nems since #2 is shedding them also.

 

[ThRoewer]

I have never seen anemones shedding tentacles. They may reduce them in size and length, but why would they toss them?
I've only seen fish tearing tentacles off or tentacles being cut off by the sharp edges of planter basket holes.

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[j.falk]

I once had a banded coral shrimp that used to snip / rip off anemone tentacles with it's claws.

 

[Small Heavens]

Your animals are dying from allelopathy.

 

[Small Heavens]

Don't waste anymore medicine this way.

 

[Small Heavens]

Anemones with longer tentacles does not act as the carpet Nems, in as much as they need a lot more time to rearrange their internal structure each time they are moved.

If it is eating its own tentacles, most likely cause would be getting so little lighting that the Nem needs emergency feedings to get energy enough to move and recover in general.

If you look at humans in a microscope, we have bacteria everywhere but if we are dead and covered in bacteria, it does not mean bacteria killed us. The same rule does apply with anemones, the fact that they will have lots of bacteria going on in and on them, does not mean that this bacteria is lethal for them.

Throwing medicine bombs after everything, makes a cover up for the fact that a Nem with long tentacles can take a good amount of time feeling up the water and then pulling in all of its disc to rearrange.

Remember that time and observation is your best way to learn what is really going on with it.

If one person say they just put the Nem in their tank and it looked perfect ever since, might just not have been looking at the tank when the Nem had enough impression of its surroundings to re-cast its entire tentacle- and disc-tissue structure.

They do work slightly like a tiny tiny fisherman with the most HUGE net.

Give your Nem -time- to fold OUT its skirt, not medicine that will disrupt it's natural bacterial growth.

 

[ThRoewer]

Anemones with longer tentacles does not act as the carpet Nems, in as much as they need a lot more time to rearrange their internal structure each time they are moved.

If it is eating its own tentacles, most likely cause would be getting so little lighting that the Nem needs emergency feedings to get energy enough to move and recover in general.

If you look at humans in a microscope, we have bacteria everywhere but if we are dead and covered in bacteria, it does not mean bacteria killed us. The same rule does apply with anemones, the fact that they will have lots of bacteria going on in and on them, does not mean that this bacteria is lethal for them.

Throwing medicine bombs after everything, makes a cover up for the fact that a Nem with long tentacles can take a good amount of time feeling up the water and then pulling in all of its disc to rearrange.

Remember that time and observation is your best way to learn what is really going on with it.

If one person say they just put the Nem in their tank and it looked perfect ever since, might just not have been looking at the tank when the Nem had enough impression of its surroundings to re-cast its entire tentacle- and disc-tissue structure.

They do work slightly like a tiny tiny fisherman with the most HUGE net.

Give your Nem -time- to fold OUT its skirt, not medicine that will disrupt it's natural bacterial growth.

Do you actually have any idea of the things you are talking about or are you just babbling nonsense?

If an anemone is sick it needs treatment or it will die!
I've tried it without treatment often enough and even under ideal conditions, the outcome was always a slimy blob at the bottom of the tank.
With treatment, however, I saved a good number of anemones.

 

[Small Heavens]

Anemones make their own antibiotics, Nems with longer tentacles needs supervision. If your Nem is trying to readjust the massive skirts to a new location, they will deflate and reinflate a lot.

During this phase, monitor them closely and MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A LIGHTING SOURCE THAT YOU CAN DIM AND RAISE easily.

If the Nem deflates so badly that it can suffer oxygen depletion in the tentacles (which will start the Nem rotting in less time than you would think) you have to HELP the Nem stir. Raise the blue light to force the Nem into inflation reaction and lower the light again before it becomes too strong and the Nem retracts again.

If you can (find the time) guard the Nem for something like 2-3 month with the kind of attention, you can continue to provoke reactions from your Nems with the light.

Your aim is to make sure the Nem does not suffer oxygen depletion inside tentacles or other narrow points.

While it tries to change its metabolism, it runs the risk of not having energy to rearrange its skirts and because they deflate, end up starting a rotting process that will be too much for its natural antibiotics, because it is like gangrene in multiple tentacles.

Either way, remember that it is a tiny fisher with a HUGE skirt.
It takes time to fold all of it in and out and your Nem will do this, over days while figuring out where the new flow is at etc. All you have to do, is make sure, it does not tip over and land on its mouth so it cannot draw in fresh water, or, that it is not allowed to have deflated tentacles for more than a few minutes at a time.

As said, this can be simply achieved if you install something that makes it possible for you to raise and lower lights easily, such as using the old eegcrate trick or a dimmable LED.

Nems are just...best kept in dedicated specimen tanks my friend.

Good luck and enjoy.

 

[Small Heavens]

Ps. And I apologise if you felt offended, I did not intend that, treating an anemone with antibiotics is just similar to treating a garlic with an antifungal ointment and I actually thought it was kinda funny
Anyway, don't repeat something out of habit, the Anemones do need your expertise so remember that your observations is your strongest strength - you really will not learn how anemones behave before you keep them, nothing you do is wasted if you learn from it.

Anemones are under strong scrutiny because they might be the "light" in antibiotic treatment now that other types are becoming less useful - I am just saying that you should never use antibiotics lightly, like "prevention" or "on suspicion" and especially not on Anemones because ..well because of the same reasons as treating your garlic with antifungal ointment might be considered alittle eccentric of you to do
As I said, I wish you all the best and especially so because you are trying to make a good effort for marine lifeforms.

 

[OrionN]

Small Heavens,
What you wrote are pure nonsense.

 

[Small Heavens]

Minh, there is more to life, than rich guys bragging

Using a antibiotic that treats both gram positive and gram negative means this person is using medicines on superstitious foundation and not scientific.

And if you expose cnidaria life for allelopathy, and tell about it online, you should handle criticism better, obviously other people are not happy to see your pets live in poison.

After MOVING any Anemones with longer tentacles, they need to rearrange their entire skirt.

You really just need to make sure it gets some light change so it REACTS so it's tentacles does not get stuck in its mouth while you are out working to earn all that money you spend on antibiotics XD

Make sure that you use TIME to observe your expensive tanks - buying big and having no time for observation is giving many reefers sad days that could have been avoided. Now stop rubbing antifungal ointments on garlic, at least until you get real science telling you that the anemone suffers from something other than what's obvious.

 

[mnchartier]

Anemones make their own antibiotics,

What scientific evidence do you have to support this?

 

[OrionN]

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And if you expose cnidaria life for allelopathy, and tell about it online, you should handle criticism better, obviously other people are not happy to see your pets live in poison.

After MOVING any Anemones with longer tentacles, they need to rearrange their entire skirt.

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The only reason I got into this discussion is to save some new reefers from trying to understand and follow your nonsense and kill their anemones, or get confused, reading about your pseudo science (I am not even sure this is what I can call what you wrote) about how to care for their anemone.
I am certainly not bother by what you wrote, or take anything you wrote personally.

In this age of the internet, anybody and write whatever on the internet, it is sometime difficult for newbies to separate the Goods from the Bads and the Uglies. I guess if someone, even as a newbie, cannot tell that what you wrote is not worth the time they spend reading it, then they highly unlikely going to be a successful reefer. Any intensive helps from any experienced reefers here would unlikely to make a great different in their ability to care for their reef.

After all, it really take a reasonably intelligent person (plus a little money and other qualities) to keep a healthy, successful reef.

 

[OrionN]

What allelopathy? These anemones have been together for years, not months
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