Rittori and Haddoni under T5??

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9929849#post9929849 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elegance coral
I'm sorry man! I'm just so use to you disagreeing with me that I misunderstood what you were saying. My bad:D

We finally agreed on something. :lol:
 
Orion pcs are not two t5 next to eachother. t5s have different phosphurs and stuff in the bulb als they are thinner glass and pc produces 60 lumens per watt where as t5 produces 100-110 lumens per watt they are superior in more than shape..

the only reason i mention it is that people assume that the only advantage to t5 is the reflector, if that were true t6 would be king. GOOD t5 systems also incorporate bulb and ballast cooling to maximise output.

i dont agree with the lumenarc suggestion though if we truly are looking for a bright spot to keep the anemone the best reflector option would be the SLS reef optix3 not the lumenarc it has too much spread.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9929704#post9929704 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Grim, so your saying that some T5s have more par at the sandbed than MH directly under the lamp?

With the sensor on the sandbed directly under the halide lamp yes, the T5's still had more PAR..
I have always measured the halides at the point where I got the highest PAR readings.
 
Wow, well than I take my argument back. If the T5s still have more PAR over MH even at the sandbed, then why is point source such a big deal? They are getting just as or more intense light from T5s than MH but the light is just more spread out.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9934411#post9934411 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
Wow, well than I take my argument back. If the T5s still have more PAR over MH even at the sandbed, then why is point source such a big deal? They are getting just as or more intense light from T5s than MH but the light is just more spread out.
Because it is to spread out, lets not keep arguing here. Magnifica's need point source light. And i bet if you took the lumen/par meter under my 400w halides with my lumenarc reflectors and it will be brighter than a t-5 unit.
Magnifica's need point source lighting, they just do. Period.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9934577#post9934577 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by illcssd
Because it is to spread out, lets not keep arguing here. Magnifica's need point source light. And i bet if you took the lumen/par meter under my 400w halides with my lumenarc reflectors and it will be brighter than a t-5 unit.
Magnifica's need point source lighting, they just do. Period.

knowing that wouldnt Reef optix pendants be better they have the higest par in a hot spot of all the reflectors ?

not that it is life and death or anything.
 
oh no but Grim might? basicly it uses the reflective material like the lumenmax or lumenarc but has a tighter spread and quite a hot spot in the middle. the reasons my haddonis are having trouble aclimating to my lighting i think.

the par at the sandbed doesnt matter i would assume. its the top 12 inches of the tank that the magnifica will occupy that really matters and the ability of the anemone to absorb more light because of the point source?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9934577#post9934577 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by illcssd
Because it is to spread out, lets not keep arguing here. Magnifica's need point source light. And i bet if you took the lumen/par meter under my 400w halides with my lumenarc reflectors and it will be brighter than a t-5 unit.
Magnifica's need point source lighting, they just do. Period.

I know they need point source lighting. I am just confused to why? Maybe I should just go with the concept. Anyways, if I ever do setup a tank with a magnifica, I will go with MH anyways so whatever.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9934777#post9934777 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
I know they need point source lighting. I am just confused to why? Maybe I should just go with the concept. Anyways, if I ever do setup a tank with a magnifica, I will go with MH anyways so whatever.

Why would you assume that? There is a wives tail about halides having some special property in their light that makes it penetrate farther than other types of light. The cold hard fact is a photon of light is a photon of light, it doesn't matter what creates it. PAR is a measurement of the number of light photons from 400 to 700nm in wavelength per second stiking an object. A PAR reading of 200 is always more than a reading of 150, it doesn't matter what created the light.

Don't take my word for it. Ask Sanjay Joshi or Dana Riddle (riddlelabs) Both are RC members and have forgotten more about aquarium lightings than all of us know combined. I choose to believe these guys with the letters after their names.

Have fun guys.
 
Have they kept magnifica's for 6+ years that are nearly impossible to keep, keeping them under every lighting available except the new led lighting? they may know more about lighting, but personal experience I and many others have had shows that these anemone's do indeed need halide lighting. Why don't you go ask anthony calfo what he thinks? After telling you they shouldn't be collected, he will agree 100% that they do indeed need halide lighting. Because they do.
If You want to keep a mag, it will live under t-5 light's, it won't bleach, it probably will even keep good color. But i know for a fact they will constantly wonder and never find a place they like, showing obviously a un-healthy anemone. I don't care what the lights are putting out, but a magnifica need's halide's in captivity.
 
Until the good T5's came out there was no lighting source other than halides that provided the needed intensity to keep the high light anemones happy. In nature the anemone can wander to find a place it likes. The sun doesn't illuminate a 2 foot pattern in the ocean.

Having the anemone wander around the tank looking for a favored spot is certainly not bad for the anemone, it is bad for the tank unless it is dedicated only to that anemone. From that aspect the halide is better, I wont argue with that. Just the notion that the animal needs point source light to survive.

I be done.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9936238#post9936238 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
.....Just the notion that the animal needs point source light to survive.

I be done.
You really missed the point. Have you ever take a measure of light intensity a foot or 18 inches from the 400W MH? H. magnifica does not need point source light, it just need the intensity of the MH, not the point source of MH.
GSMguy
....Orion pcs are not two t5 next to eachother. t5s have different phosphurs and stuff in the bulb als they are thinner glass and pc produces 60 lumens per watt where as t5 produces 100-110 lumens per watt they are superior in more than shape....


GSMguy,
The technologies for NO, VHO, PC, T5 are the same. Sending a stream of high voltage electrons down a tube lined with various chemicals. Electrons repulse each other so they all travel along the inner of the glass tube where these chemical molecules are. The molecules absorbed the energy from these electrons then fluoresced to give off this energy as light.
The spectrum of the light depends on the chemical and the intensity depends on the amount of energy absorbed, and then gives off. This energy just depends on the current and the voltage of the electrons.
Did you know that for these lights, you can use the NO bulbs and put them in VHO ballast and it would work just fine, and will produce more light? That is because the VHO ballast produces more energy than the NO ballast, not because of the bulb.
I think there is constrains in how thin the glass is and how small one can make the tube. I think T5 is just small enough so that a larger numbers of tube with reflectors can fit under a limited space like our hood. That is why it is useful for us.

The technology of MH is somewhat the same, except the chemical involved is metal atoms which turn into ionized gas when bombarded with these electrons.
 
in theory the production of light is the same but like i said 80W of PC is not the same as 80w of T5
80w of t5 would produce over 8000 lumens where as 80 w of pc would produce around 5000 lumens and that alone translates to more PAR

leaving reflectors out of it t5 is superior to pc and VHO based on the materials used in manufacturing
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9936590#post9936590 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by OrionN
You really missed the point. Have you ever take a measure of light intensity a foot or 18 inches from the 400W MH? H. magnifica does not need point source light, it just need the intensity of the MH, not the point source of MH.


GSMguy,
The technologies for NO, VHO, PC, T5 are the same. Sending a stream of high voltage electrons down a tube lined with various chemicals. Electrons repulse each other so they all travel along the inner of the glass tube where these chemical molecules are. The molecules absorbed the energy from these electrons then fluoresced to give off this energy as light.
The spectrum of the light depends on the chemical and the intensity depends on the amount of energy absorbed, and then gives off. This energy just depends on the current and the voltage of the electrons.
Did you know that for these lights, you can use the NO bulbs and put them in VHO ballast and it would work just fine, and will produce more light? That is because the VHO ballast produces more energy than the NO ballast, not because of the bulb.
I think there is constrains in how thin the glass is and how small one can make the tube. I think T5 is just small enough so that a larger numbers of tube with reflectors can fit under a limited space like our hood. That is why it is useful for us.

The technology of MH is somewhat the same, except the chemical involved is metal atoms which turn into ionized gas when bombarded with these electrons.

We were discussing the point source issue, not if 400 watt halides were more intense. However a cheesey 400 watt halide system might not put as much light in a tank as a good t5 system, it would really depend on a lot of variables, lamp height, brand, K rating, ballast, reflector.

VHO, NO, PC and T5 fluorescents use the same principle but there are differences in the gases used in each. I am not sure of the specific differences but T5's do have a higher resistance than the others and a lower mercury content. T5's do create more lumens per watt than the others.

Heres a good explaination of how Fluorescent lamps work.

When you turn the lamp on, the current flows through the electrical circuit to the electrodes. There is a considerable voltage across the electrodes, so electrons will migrate through the gas from one end of the tube to the other. This energy changes some of the mercury in the tube from a liquid to a gas. As electrons and charged atoms move through the tube, some of them will collide with the gaseous mercury atoms. These collisions excite the atoms, bumping electrons up to higher energy levels. When the electrons return to their original energy level, they release light photons. the wavelength of a photon is determined by the particular electron arrangement in the atom. The electrons in mercury atoms are arranged in such a way that they mostly release light photons in the ultraviolet wavelength range.

This is where the tube's phosphor powder coating comes in. Phosphors are substances that give off light when they are exposed to light. When a photon hits a phosphor atom, one of the phosphor's electrons jumps to a higher energy level and the atom heats up. When the electron falls back to its normal level, it releases energy in the form of another photon. This photon has less energy than the original photon, because some energy was lost as heat. In a fluorescent lamp, the emitted light is in the visible spectrum -- the phosphor gives off white light we can see. Manufacturers can vary the color of the light by using different combinations of phosphors.

Detailed article is here

http://www.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp.htm/printable

Now I really be done here. Yall have fun
 
Ok. All things being equal, if a Heteractis magnifica reaches the top of a coral bommie or rock pillar, as long as it cannot sense a path to a higher location, it will likely stay in that spot, because it's not going to want to travel "down" unless for some reason that spot is considerably unfavorable.

The spotlight effect is exactly the same. You have a hot spot, that as long as the anemone can sense that outside of the hot spot is light of less intensity, it won't want to move outside of that hot spot. Exactly the same principle, just one is measured in terms of "altitude" and one is measured in terms of "intensity."

Whether T5's produce the required intensity or PAR is immaterial. They likely do anyhow. It's just that if you want your anemone to stay in one spot, you put a halide over top of it. It's an easy solution to the age-old problem of a wandering magnifica.

I have had my H. mag for 6 years now and this has been my recipe for keeping it from wandering. It works for me. I had it under 175W's for 4 out of these 6 years and even now I only have it under a single 250W. So in my opinion it's not even about having maximum intensity in a tank, it's about having maximum intensity in the spot you want the anemone to like. As long as it "believes" that it's sitting in a spot where it will get most light, and then combine that with the proper flow conditions, appropriate feedings, the proper habitat and appropriate tank size; the anemone will have no need to wander the tank, and thus (hopefully) won't.

I'm not saying it can't be done with T5's only, but I *am* saying that this trick will make things so much simpler.
 
Could it be that H. Magnifica are a relatively mobile species of anemone in the wild, and that's why they don't like to stay put in our tanks?

(Just tossing out ideas...The proven path has been presented, and sounds like all of those successfully keeping Magnifica's have the same formula. Not something I can argue with.)
 
Not in particular, because my mag's never move now if i keep the parameters stable and the light right above them.
The same problems happen with all other types of host anemones if they are unhappy.
 
I actually was wondering about that tonight too. I'd love to see some data on that. It wouldn't surprise me if they did indeed "go walkabout", unless they're on a tall rock pillar or something like that.
 
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