RO/DI water filter basics

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Michael (PotHuntR) asked me in a PM about when and what to change in his RO/DI filter system. Since his PM box is full and this may be of interest to others, I'll just post a general response here:

For starters, here's a link to the Presentation from last fall. (I have made a few enhancements to my system that I'll eventually get noted in the presentation, but the link will remain the same.)

Next, you will need to identify what filter elements you have (or need to have) and the order that water flows through them.

The Filter Guys and other RC sponsor sites offer several variations--you can purchase a pre-designed 3, 4 or 5 stage system or you may, instead, choose to save a bit of money or to customize your setup by buying the components separately. (On a 1 to 5 DIY scale, this is definitely a 1--strictly connect the components with nothing to modify other than cutting tubing to length!)

A generic 5-stage configuration might be:
  1. Granular Activated Carbon (GAC)
  2. Sediment (1, 5 or even 10 micron)
  3. Carbon block cartridge
  4. Reverse osmosis
  5. Mixed bed deionization resin (color indicating)
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    (The convertible 7/8 stage system outlined in the presentation is nothing more than a variation on this generic design...I run 4 DI stages at the end and use valves to bypass the RO stage during the winter when I can't readily divert the waste water to outside shrub watering.)

    Anyone using well water or other water source besides a good municipal water system will probably benefit from running an additional sediment filter as a first stage (before or instead of the GAC).

    One point of occasional confusion (especially when buying a used RO/DI system without directions) is the placement of the RO stage. Unless yours is a complete DIY installation, the kit probably has the RO unit positioned horizontally on top of the bracket for the other stages. It needs to be connected, though, in between cannister stages (typically next to last) in the order shown above.

    Your system may well be skipping one or more of those--the only one that should visibly appear dirty is the simple sediment element, if that helps identify them.

    GAC, if you use it, is loose media like the activated carbon that you might use in a cannister or media bag, but more finely ground and (it is claimed) more refined medical grade. You can either buy replacement cartridges or bulk carbon and load your own. The former is less messy but more expensive, as you'd expect.

    According to the Filter Guys' website, activated carbon (whether in a GAC cartridge or carbon matrix) is the primary/best means of removing chloramines that the water systems use nowadays instead of chlorine. There's no way that I know of to tell when the GAC is exhausted and ready to be changed. (If you're running GAC, it should be followed by a sediment filter because it will release a fair amount of black dust.)

    The sediment filters are really cheap and I would recommend changing it out every time you do a DI media change. I also see no reason to use anything but a 1 micron cartridge...a larger pore will clog less frequently, but only to the detriment of your much more expensive RO membrane or DI media.

    Another useful tip that I picked up during my research is to avoid changing your sediment filter at the same time as your GAC. Since the fresh GAC is guaranteed to release dust, no matter how well you rinse it, wait a couple of days for the old sediment filter to capture that stuff and then swap it out. You'll have a much cleaner looking sediment filter to monitor.

    The carbon matrix element is relatively expensive. I've read that they should last up to a year, but that isn't very helpful since one person might make 100 gallons a year and another may make that much a month. Running the extra GAC stage in front should make the more expensive matrix cartridge last longer than if it is the only carbon stage. Again, I don't know of any way to specifically know when it is exhausted. I've (arbitrarily) gone to changing every six months.

    The RO element is very expensive but, with proper maintenance and the prefilters, should never need to be replaced. The maintenance requires a bypass valve (cheap...you don't have to buy their kit--the necessary valve and tee fitting are available at HD or Lowes). Once a week (or so), turn the valve for a couple of minutes to bypass the flow restrictor (35 gpd, 75 gpd, etc.) on the output of the RO unit. Bypassing just allows the extra flow of water to flush the membrane of whatever has accumulated, blocking the RO passage of water through the membrane.

    The final stage (should always be after the RO has scrubbed the water pretty darn well) is the DI stage. (If you run DI without RO (as I do in the winter) the DI media will need to be changed much more frequently.) The mixed-bed resin that is sold for the hobby is color indicating...that is, it starts out with a mix of blue and gold media, one to capture cations and one to capture anions. As the resin is saturated, the blue crystals will turn brown. The only problem is, that TDS numbers will actually start to rise before it is all brown. If the media isn't swapped TDS will actually rise higher than the tap water you start with as the saturated media releases its load.

    As far as accessories, I strongly recommend using one of the inline TDS meters that can, with a push of a button, immediately give you a reading of your incoming and outgoing water. As soon as I see output start to climb above 0 ppm I swap DI. Using a handheld TDS meter works as well, but I know that I used it far less frequently because of the hassles.

    That's the all of the important stuff of the presentation in a nutshell!

    Gary
 
So if my inline TDS meter still reads 0 I should just leave it all alone? Or should I still change the filter that appears dirty?
 
As long as 1) the TDS readings are zero (and you're sure that the meter is working by also getting a reading of the incoming tap water) and 2) the water flow rate doesn't seem to have dropped off, I personally wouldn't rush to change out the sediment filter. These only cost a couple of bucks online so I always keep extras on hand...but I wouldn't make a special order to get one in. (You might check your favorite LFS to see what they have in stock.)
 
Thanks Gary. Awesome info for us to help keep our filters clean and working properly. It is funny that you use the waste for your yard plants, our tomato plants are the biggest ever after I made the switch from the drain.
 
where does everyone buy their replacement filters at? Are all the RO/DI Units compatible with just the filters and not the membrane?

thanks,
Scott
 
Hoosier daddy - I buy from http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/ for replacement filters and DI resin. It's easy to find and buy them all together.

I bought my unit from e-bay for $135 with shipping and it's been running for 6 months and still 0 ppm. Incoming water is 175ppm @ 70psi, after ro it's 7ppm and after DI it's 0ppm. I have all the filters from bulkreefsupply for when it's time to change.
 
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I buy mine from www.buckeyefieldsupply.com.
I bought my main unit from ebay and added a separate bed DI from buckeye. I've been using the filters for months now and my TDS is still 0 after the DI. This might be because my TDS incoming is less than 40 though.
 
The reason I asked is because I just bought a used RO Unit. I replaced all the filters but the membrane. Just added a TDS monitor to it last night. The tap water is reading 34 and the return is 0. So what you are saying is that if the return goes up past the tap that is a bad membrane or DI? Also my RO/DI Unit has an adjustable flow on it. Not really sure how that works. I am trying to balance it so it produces 1:4 ratio. Wonder if I am doing it right.

Thanks for the help by the way.
 
if your membrane is rated at 97% rejection rate, when your output TDS is under 97% less than your input, it's time for a change. so if you have 100 in, you should have 3 out.
 
Use your pressure gauge to help you tell when your prefilters (the filters that come before the membrane) are becoming clogged.

Russ
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13246426#post13246426 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Hoosier daddy
The reason I asked is because I just bought a used RO Unit. I replaced all the filters but the membrane. Just added a TDS monitor to it last night. The tap water is reading 34 and the return is 0. So what you are saying is that if the return goes up past the tap that is a bad membrane or DI? Also my RO/DI Unit has an adjustable flow on it. Not really sure how that works. I am trying to balance it so it produces 1:4 ratio. Wonder if I am doing it right.

Thanks for the help by the way.

You'll want to measure the TDS in three locations. If I understand your post, you already measure in two of the three:

Tap water: 34 ppm
RO water: ? ppm
DI water: 0 ppm

With the tap water number and the RO number we can calculate the membrane rejection rate and compare that to the spec for the membrane.

If you have never used an RODI system before you might want to think about getting a static flow restrictor - only $4. We sell the adjustable flow restrictors but consider them an "advanced-user's feature."

When your DI no. starts rising above 1 its time to change the DI resin.

From our FAQ's:
In this hobby we measure Total Dissolved Solids in parts per million, or "ppm." We often try to measure TDS down near 0 ppm. Because this TDS level is so low, we have to keep in mind the sensitivity of the meter used to measure it, and the technique used to measure the tds.

Nearly any contamination in the sample container will cause an erroneous TDS measurement. Some plastic containers are difficult to get absolutely clean, and although they appear clean, they are not. An easy standard approach is to use a drinking glass as a sample container - use one right out of the dishwasher. Obviously, keep your fingers away from the inside surface of the glass.

Calibrate your meter. Use a calibration fluid generally in the range of the tds measurements you'll be taking. Some meters require a specific tds calibration fluid (e.g., 800 ppm), regardless of the tds levels in your samples.

Be careful with how you take your samples. Let's say you intend to measure the TDS in your 1) DI water, 2) RO water, and 3) tap water. Start with the cleanest of the three - the DI water. After letting the system run for a sufficient period of time that you are sure the tds levels have stabilized (to assure you are not measuring tds creep water), rinse the sample container two or three times with the water you intend to sample, and then fill the sample container with sufficient DI water to take a reading.

Now on to the RO water. The water we are interested in here is the permeate â€"œ i.e., the water that has been purified by the RO membrane â€"œ not the waste water. Make sure you understand which is which before taking the sample. Most RODI systems other than Buckeye Systems are not plumbed to facilitate taking a sample of the permeate. If that is the case, you’ll need to unhook some tubing â€"œ likely where the tubing attaches to the “in” port on the DI housing in order to take this sample. This is inconvenient for many people, and we find that people never do it. They report only the tap water TDS and the DI water TDS. Contact Buckeye if you need guidance regarding installing a couple of extra fittings and tubing to facilitate measuring the TDS of the RO water (permeate). When you take the sample, follow the same procedure described above â€"œ use a clean sample container, assure you are not measuring TDS creep water, rinse with the permeate several times before taking the sample, and use a calibrated meter.

Use the same approach to collect and measure your tap water as well.

Russ
 
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