Rod's Onyx Clowns
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bigloggerhead
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I don't necessarily agree with that line of logic. That falls on the distributor or the breeder. These fish are pretty popular and someone's gonna order them. Its a shame that some of the die and I agree with many of the other posters. These fish should be held until they're large enough to handle the shipping process. I actually found the ones I received to be very spunky. Even the smallest one is very active and eats well.
Rod Buehler
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FWIW When I was shipping them, I lost less than 1% (out of well over 1000 clowns shipped . Less than 1% is damn good rates. Due to them using less o2, I feel that they ship better when younger/smaller. If they have been eating frozen and completely stabilized, they are ready to go. I do have concerns with people being able to care for them at that size and that why everyone is warned of their size (over and over again) . But there is always that " ""Yeah, I know, but I want to watch them grow up"" " and that "" Yeah, but I want to be sure of getting a pair""" You say AGAIN.."" They are small!!" ""Thats OK..""". Now again They are perfectly fine to ship at at that size ( IMO even better off)..
Rkelman: even if you add all of the few that were lost with other vendors doing the shipping I will bet that its still less than one percent, which is damn good odds. Much better than all of the wild caughts which I would guess to be closer to 25-50% loss. All of those wild caughts are usually full sized clowns.. So, please tell me why YOU think size has anything to do with shipping moralities. Is there any back up to your claims other than " they are too small?? Would it be any different that shipping a clown goby?
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion ( every one has one ) but your opinion is based on what you know very little about ( (IE: success rates of shipping smaller clowns vs larger). Yes, there is a point where small is too small, but not in this case.
Rkelman: even if you add all of the few that were lost with other vendors doing the shipping I will bet that its still less than one percent, which is damn good odds. Much better than all of the wild caughts which I would guess to be closer to 25-50% loss. All of those wild caughts are usually full sized clowns.. So, please tell me why YOU think size has anything to do with shipping moralities. Is there any back up to your claims other than " they are too small?? Would it be any different that shipping a clown goby?
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion ( every one has one ) but your opinion is based on what you know very little about ( (IE: success rates of shipping smaller clowns vs larger). Yes, there is a point where small is too small, but not in this case.
OrionN
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I got 5 clowns from Rod when they are very small. .5-.75 inches, because i wanted them small. I had no problem with these 5 clowns. The picture of the two I keep earlier in this thread. They are (the five clows) the very best and very healthy. I did keep them in a reef tank by themselves, not a community reef tank initially
bigloggerhead
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14903654#post14903654 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
I think the breeder / distributors are to blame mostly. I also think if you know going in that you are going to get 1/2 to 3/4" fish that may or may not make it as indicated in this thread its wrong. You don't have to agree. Its MY opinion and everyone is entitled to one.
Yeah and I disagree with yours which is why I chose to voice mine. Its all good.
bigloggerhead
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Rod, you're probably right. I'm definitely no fish breeder and I know you've had years of experience in this sort of thing. I have to admit that at first I was a little perturbed by the size of the smallest clown but these guys are VERY HARDY. They have done very well as of today. They eat well and are safe inside of a breeder net. When they are large enough they will go into my display where a brand new small RBTA awaits them as their new home. I just hope they take to it.
Question for you though Rod....What's the chances my clowns will be able to gain that dark black in between their bands if they host an RBTA? If its not good what other anemone would you recommend? And lastly, should I introduce the RBTA into the breeder net when the fish are a little larger? I thought this may improve my chances of getting them to host.
rkelman
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"Yes, you are entitled to your opinion ( every one has one ) but your opinion is based on what you know very little about ( (IE: success rates of shipping smaller clowns vs larger). Yes, there is a point where small is too small, but not in this case."
Just because it survives to the door doesn't mean it should be put in someones tank. If people are warned why are they surprised when they get a 3/4" clown? (not being argumentative just a question) Actually I do know quite a bit about the survivability of small clowns. Shipping isn't the only concern I have. Its only part. A 1/2" fish IMO is too small to release into a reef tank. When I say they are too small to be shipped that meant as well that they are too small to be sold. Again its my opinion.
Just because it survives to the door doesn't mean it should be put in someones tank. If people are warned why are they surprised when they get a 3/4" clown? (not being argumentative just a question) Actually I do know quite a bit about the survivability of small clowns. Shipping isn't the only concern I have. Its only part. A 1/2" fish IMO is too small to release into a reef tank. When I say they are too small to be shipped that meant as well that they are too small to be sold. Again its my opinion.
FIREFISHPAT
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rkelman, I agree with you totally. I order 4 and when they arrived at 10:15 next day. I opened box all 4 were death. Not even a chance. Next order 4 more , open box 1 death and 3 looking not too good. I believe it was still cold at night that played a factor in this. Plus beening small. I'm happy I got your fish Rod. 3 are alive out of 8 fish. I just think Premium Aquatics should hold on for a few more weeks and shipping would be much better. I agree that small fish are better to ship. But very small I don't think so. Why not have a higher percentage. Why are we so much in a rush .Three weeks or ten weeks. 3 out of 8
= 62% die
= 38 % alive of course this is just one buyer.
= 62% die
= 38 % alive of course this is just one buyer.
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joe1584
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Ya thats from Premium not Rod directly i have been to ROds store when it was still in full swing and everything you get from Rod is top notch he has a premier setup and the best clowns known to man. So dont rant and rave at him it should be premiums problem and not his at all. If i was premium i would pair these fish up and sell them on a wysiwyg basis. But thats just my opinion.
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bigloggerhead
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I think this boils down to a case by case basis. Any fish can die in shipping regardless of the size. Handling and time during shipping can be factors in DOA's. Bottom line if you're worried about DOA's don't order fish online.
FIREFISHPAT
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I wonder how fish travel from the wild or tank raised to other parts of the world. Yea, I KNOW they swim were they want to get caught because they don't want to travel and die in plane.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14907266#post14907266 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rkelman
"Yes, you are entitled to your opinion ( every one has one ) but your opinion is based on what you know very little about ( (IE: success rates of shipping smaller clowns vs larger). Yes, there is a point where small is too small, but not in this case."
Just because it survives to the door doesn't mean it should be put in someones tank. If people are warned why are they surprised when they get a 3/4" clown? (not being argumentative just a question) Actually I do know quite a bit about the survivability of small clowns. Shipping isn't the only concern I have. Its only part. A 1/2" fish IMO is too small to release into a reef tank. When I say they are too small to be shipped that meant as well that they are too small to be sold. Again its my opinion.
I agree that size is too small to be sold. Yes youre correct just so it gets to your door alive is not an indicator of a success rate.
A 90+ % success rate has nothing to do with succes rate of them reaching adulthood which you can never gauge that high.
I believe breeders are an asset to the hobby, But please hold on to them till they are bigger ORA does this.
So what charge more for them. I have had 2 sets of small clowns. one was a clutch of 10, and they slowly died off one by one.
This last pair was bigger by half, and they diid get to my door alive and a couple days later are dead. They did get to me alive and the seller was protected. I have no complaint about that.
I wish I read a little deeper on what size to expect and i planned to release these in my community tank.
Again I am not attacking the breeders I really respect them, and my money is really not wasted as it go's to a person that I respect for doing so, and is helping the hobby greatly.
One analogy before i go. Dog breeders can let thier clutches go sooner too, We can take the pup and get it to poop and eat on its own too. Just because we can does not make it good practice.
drtrash
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Are those from PA? I bought 6 about 7 months back and they were shipping them less than 3/8 w 1 partial stripe and no color. I won't buy again site unseen. Too expensive and I know there is no garuntee on which one will color up but they are sold as Onyx so color should be present before sold and even passed on by Rod. A few that I have almost look like Occ. I think the size and color of yours should be standard IMO.
t4zalews
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should I be worried about mine? I ordered these Rod's from PA. They were juts introduced to the DT about a day ago and have been in the tank (seperated from the community) for about a month. Eat great and are alert/active, but I've seen very little darkening in their color and the tail stripe is kinda coming in.
Does Rod actually sell these clowns through PA?
The fish are a little over an inch.
The RBTA in the picture is on it's way out so I can try a green carpet.
Does Rod actually sell these clowns through PA?
The fish are a little over an inch.
The RBTA in the picture is on it's way out so I can try a green carpet.
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