rosy wrasse eye problem

CamBarr

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Hey all I just recently acquired a female rosy wrasse. On the left eye not the eye in the pic it appears to be getting a bit hazy the eye is not protruding but its just hazy prob some sort of bacterial infection. fish is not in distress very active and eats like a pig but a bit worried about it its in a reef and I don't have a quarantine tank set up yet im going to set one up today

my question is what antibiotic can I use to clear up eye???

cb



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It may be flukes. They have shown up lately. Only times you can usually see them is when they cover the eyes and it may lead you to believe there is an infection, but it is actually the fluke. Do a FW dip in a clear container. If it is flukes they will drop off and you should be able to see them in the container.

Fluke tabs and Prazi pro are good medications. Copper does NOT kill these guys.
 
if it is flukes im assuming they can spread onto other fish
flukes look similar to a flat worm am I correct also what is the best method for a fw dip tap de chlorinated or ro brought up to the same ph???

sorry haven't dealt with the fish sickness think in a while I invested in a nice large uv sterilizer

cb
 
im not totally sure its flukes I will have to look when I get home im almost sure it was starting to get fuzzy making me think bacterial what do you think???
 
A bit confused what other eye problems result in a cloudy eye???
Bacterial ect... what other symptoms pertain to bacterial infections of the eye???
 
It very well may be flukes as far as treatment goes are fw dips a pretty good way to treat flukes or does the fish usually need to be medicated???

in doing some research it may be on of these things bacterial because it look as is the wrasse had scratched it eye or maybe even fungal(rare ) because the white in the eye seems to be a bit fuzzy

Would feeding garlic enriched food (Garlic Elixir or Kent Marine Garlic Extreme) be ok with my reef never used this before???

cb
 
FW dips only remove the flukes that are on the fish. My experience and understanding is that the tank needs to be treated or fishless for a while to completely rid the tank of the flukes.
 
Ouch!!!

So my tank being a reef I wonââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t be able to treat it and I may have to leave it fishless for awhile if I indeed do have flukes???
cb
 
My opinion about cloudy eye(s):
A single cloudy eye could be the onset of a debilitating disease, or parasitic attack (e.g., Cryptocaryon irritans), an indication of poor water quality (ammonia), or nothing. On the ââ"šÂ¬Ã‹Å“nothingââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ side, it could be the fish injured the eye in a mild fight with a tankmate, net damage, ran into some decoration in the tank, or managed to pick up a mild bacterial infection.

All of these ââ"šÂ¬Ã…"œone-cloudy-eyeââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ situations are ââ"šÂ¬Ã‹Å“probablyââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ not worth taking any specific action as far as the fish is concerned. You can help out by making a large water change with properly mixed and prepared saltwater. The second thing you can do is make sure youââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢re providing the proper nutrition to the fish. See this post:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=785228

The fish should be closely watched for whether the eye is healing or getting worse. The fish should also be watched for any other symptoms of disease. Besides a water change and upgrading the food (see above) there are other things you can do:

Check all water quality parameters. Monitor ammonia especially an hour after feeding. If less-than-perfect water quality is eliminated for sure, then make sure there is no decaying matter in your system to address a possible bacterial issue. Time to do a thorough cleanup. This can reduce the numbers of bacteria in the water column. In addition to checking ââ"šÂ¬Ã‹Å“the usual suspectsââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ with regard to water quality, also check for dissolved organics.

You want to have a treatment tank/quarantine tank standing by, and in case things get worse, youââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ll need to put the fish into quarantine. A great, comprehensive guide on quarantine tanks and procedures can be found in this article: http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/sp/feature/index.htm

If the eye is cloudy AND there is obvious swelling, then besides a bacterial issue, it could also be a parasite. This is a grey area ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ you can play the ââ"šÂ¬Ã‹Å“wait-and-seeââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ game (doing the above mentioned clean-up and water quality improvement steps) or you can go ahead and give the fish an antibiotic treatment (in case it is bacterial in cause), just to be sure it doesnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t get any worse (see below). This is assuming there are no other signs of any other disease or condition. If a parasite is suspected to be attached or in the eye, a fresh water dip might knock it off.

If your fish has two cloudy eyes, and/or a condition of Popeye then this is something to be more concerned about, IMHO. Itââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s not likely it ran into something twice, on each side, or hurt itself symmetrically. The suspicion of disease now goes high. If you can see no other symptoms of disease, the fish with two cloudy eyes or Popeye should be moved to a treatment tank and treated with an antibiotic, IMHO.

A fish with two cloudy eyes from a bacterial infection shows there is something ââ"šÂ¬Ã‹Å“offââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢ for sure. There is always bacteria in our tanks, but healthy fish keep it at bay. And in a healthy tank, the bacterial population in the water column, isnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t high. When a fish gets a cloudy eye or eyes from bacteria, then something has interfered with the fishââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s ability to ward it off, or there are too many bacteria for it to contend with. Too many bacteria (decaying matter, overfeeding, dead fish, dead snail or crab hidden away), a poor diet (see above reference), ongoing stress (tank too small, tankmate issues, water quality) ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Â something that is letting the bacteria get by your fishââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s normal defenses ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Â are possible causes. Look into these matters and make corrections. Check your water quality closely (keeping in mind that you cannot test for everything, so something could be wrong that youââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢re not even testing for. For this, you have to play detective.) Make sure you also check for dissolved organics.
 
LEE Thank you so much for you're info, not to mention such a lengthy and informative post. Fortunately I have never really dealt with fish diseases and parasites before maybe quality fish or husbandry.

I think the eye aliment is a bacterial infection, (here is my reasoning)
I notice what seemed to be a scratch on the eye that is now cloudy about 5 days ago. It seemed to clear up, then the next day the eye was a bit cloudy. So im assuming the fish being a wrasse maybe scratched it and now has an infection not ruling out fungal or parasitic infections yet)

hers some further info.

Feeding regime consists of feeding 2-3 times a week. I have a reef and want my fish to use as much of the natural food available as possible also want to keep nutrients down this is why im feeding sparingly. Food consists of Formula One (shrimp,spinach,clams,krill hydrolysate, sardine meal,plankton,salmon egg oil,squid,kelp,lecithin,casein,paprika,canthaxanthin,codliver oil,astaxanthin,vitamins(C, E, supp niacin,thiamine mononitrate,folic acid calcium panthenate,riboflavin,mendione sodirm bisulfate cloride vitimin b-12 supp vitimin d-3 supplement beta-carotene supp biotin) amino acids(dl-methionine,taurene,lysine) and trace elements of maganese sulfate,zinc sulfate,copper sulfate and sodium selenite.)

guaranteed analysis crude protein min 13.0%,crude fat 1.25% crude fiber max 0.50%

also feeding hakari frozen whole mysiss shrimp as well

water changes are done bi weekly at 25% using tropic marin salt using only RODI water

Tank mates consist on one red fire fish (Nemateleotris magnifica) one high fined banded goby (Stonogobiops nematodes) like my pic and my Rosy Fin Fairy wrasse (Cirrhilabrus bathyphilus)(female/Juv)

My tanks consists of carnivores and everyone is very passive And the tanks is very established I have had it set up for 4 years.
My plan of action (test water again look for elevated ammonia,nitrite,nitrate levels. Do a 25% water changes and either find a better food and or start enriching my mysiss with some vit c and selco something fatty maybe even using some freeze dried Cyclops so I get a bit better absorption.
than watch and wait

what do you think??

cb
 
I might be inclined to agree with the bacterial infection diagnosis, but wonder why it comes and goes and doesn't stay gone?

I think the answer may be found in your feeding regime. I have no problem with our choice of Formula 1. I do have issues with not providing vitamin and fat additives. What is in the food doesn't count, to my way of thinking, when it comes to vitamins and fats.

You say you have carnivores. What do you think they are eating in the tank in between your 3 feedings a week?
 
I know I have a pretty good supply of pods has not been a problem in the past

Also what it is flukes what would you recommend for treatment???

cb
 
I doubt flukes is the issue; I doubt that the pods are enough proper nutrition for your fish in between feedings.

After improving their nutrition, I'd re-visit the situation and see if the fish is still having problems. By this, I mean, feed your fish two or three times a day according to the recommendations in that post and wait and see if the fish doesn't improve on its own. During this time, treat the fish as if it is healing and follow the recommendations for additives/supplements for a healing fish.
 
Can you get a picture of the "peeling?" Comming and going with peeling is starting to sound more like the fluke issues I have seen.
 
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