router table advice?
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gobygoby
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you and My father-in-law would get along just great.....<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6656987#post6656987 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by blown63chevy
Yep, put everything on wheels. That's the way mine is. Just rool it out when you need it, push it away when you don't. ALL of my tools are on wheels, tablesaw/router, Band saw, jointer, etc. If you look at the link I posted, you'll also see some cabinets that the front opens down to make a work bench. When your done, fold it up and you've got a lot more room. These are not my ideas, they came from some of the books I have. I'd be more than happy to share them, I've done it in the past.
he has the sweetest looking Radial Arm Saw setup on wheels I have ever seen.! foldable wing extensions on each side, light bar mounted above, cabinets,....its cooooool
ErikS
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Deleted = no point, OT
This is nice & you can add a nice router table easily
Sears Version by Orion
Made by Orion, same folks who make the Delta hybrid. In the contractor's saw price range but with all the good parts of a cabinet saw (base mounted trunions & dust collection). The fence front-locker-beis style...but that works good enough until you need better.
This is nice & you can add a nice router table easily
Sears Version by Orion
Made by Orion, same folks who make the Delta hybrid. In the contractor's saw price range but with all the good parts of a cabinet saw (base mounted trunions & dust collection). The fence front-locker-beis style...but that works good enough until you need better.
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LOL. My next project for the shop is a similar type of stand but for my mitersaw. Saw some really sweet plans for one. Folds up reall nice and when opened up, looks like an airplane flying around.
I also need to build one for my "portable" planner. Got the 13 1/2" DeWalt. Yea, portable if you can easly lift a couple of hundred pounds.
Just a few comments to think about. The powermatic is a great saw but is not near the quality that it was 5 years ago since the marriage with Jet. Jet makes good saws for any level of woodworker. The ryobi is a good week-end saw if your cutting the normal s4s home center lumber. The comment about it being a skil saw mounted to a table is no where close to accurate. It is very finiky and requires some very frustrating adjustments. Once you get these down, its a very accurate machine even with the stock fence. There are a few fairly well known craftsman that use the bt3k. Dave mentioned above has been using it for as long as I can remember.
Now the bad, I had one bt3k snap the arbor and sling the blade into the ceiling of my shop. Its been yard art for the last 6 or 7 years but I doubt this is common.
Personally my shop looks like a advertisment for Jet and Incra but If I had it to do over, I'd search for a 20 year old used Uni-saw.
Don
Now the bad, I had one bt3k snap the arbor and sling the blade into the ceiling of my shop. Its been yard art for the last 6 or 7 years but I doubt this is common.
Personally my shop looks like a advertisment for Jet and Incra but If I had it to do over, I'd search for a 20 year old used Uni-saw.
Don
http://www.patwarner.com/
The bubble king of router fences? Maybe... plus there are instructions for building your own.
G1
The bubble king of router fences? Maybe... plus there are instructions for building your own.
G1
8BALL_99
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OMG it launched a blade into the air.. I would have P!$$ed my self...Thanks a bunch now I will use mine even less :| lol.. I never said you couldnt get good cuts with it.. I just said it was cheap and loud.. Its not belt driven like most larger table saws.. Just has what look just like a skill saw mounted under it.. My delta sits about 3 feet away so When you go from one to the other there is a HUGE difference in quality and it shows alot
hahnmeister
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ErikS, my comments were directed at the average home-user, even semi-pro, but I was leaving out cabinet and higher models...because I doubt most will want/need/prefer to put a 220v or higher hookup in their shop for one of those monsters. When someone is looking for their own use, I assume 120v is the class we are looking into. At that, the biggest concern for most anyone shoud be accuracy & precicion on a day-to-day basis. This determines the confidence and ease with which you will be able to do projects...if at all. If my saw was some sloppy cutter, acrylic work would be near impossible. If you buy a cheaper model, and luck out...hey, good for you, but if you dont, that saw will not get as much use because you wont want to risk it (your confidence in your own abilities might be lowered when its really the saw's fault). It will most likely end up collecting dust until you decide to go ahead and buy a better model. Just like a good protein skimmer, you might as well buy the best you can get in the first place, because you will anyways...unless you buy something so cheap you end up being discouraged from saws all together.
I dont find the statement>>>"saw that will mean something to you on a day-to-day basis is the precision." to be innacurate at all. Sure, there is reliability, but that doesnt matter on a day-to-day basis...only the day that it quits working. And any saw/router these days worth spit is going to be reliable...something that I cant say for Ryobi.
I dont find the statement>>>"saw that will mean something to you on a day-to-day basis is the precision." to be innacurate at all. Sure, there is reliability, but that doesnt matter on a day-to-day basis...only the day that it quits working. And any saw/router these days worth spit is going to be reliable...something that I cant say for Ryobi.
Kim G in Ks
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I love my uni saw. A true craftsman never blames his mistakes on his tools. Heard that once somewhere, and it really rings true.
Kim
Kim
hahnmeister
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"A true craftsman never blames his mistakes on his tools"
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Yeah, because a true craftsman doesnt have to because he/she doesnt buy cheap crap. I.E.: he/she knows what to buy so the blame doesnt have to be put on the tools. If that 'true craftsman' was buying crappy tools...well...then that craftsman is not a true craftsman.
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Yeah, because a true craftsman doesnt have to because he/she doesnt buy cheap crap. I.E.: he/she knows what to buy so the blame doesnt have to be put on the tools. If that 'true craftsman' was buying crappy tools...well...then that craftsman is not a true craftsman.
:lol: The tools a person uses does not make him/her a craftsman. Some see good ol Norm as a craftsman and others see him as a joke. I dont care if you use a Ryobi or a Powermatic its the final work that makes you a craftsman. Dave (mentioned earlier) is a true craftsman and uses what you consider a less desireable table saw.
This is a router table discussion not a table saw debate. Each and every tool mentioned will more than serve the needs of the person that started the thread.
Don
hahnmeister
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But knowing the right tool, including the tool's durability and reliability, directly influences your abilities. I find acrylic work to be some of the most exact and precise work you can do. Its not like cutting wood where you can simply fill in the cracks and mistakes with putty, or just cut another because the material is cheap.
While I am not saying that owning any tool determines your skill level, to deny that the tools abilities directly effect the craftsman's output is like saying that a marksman's ability with a rifle isnt affected by the quality of the rifle...as then skeet shooting would be done with 'sawn-off' shotty's and sniper rifles would be replaced with pistols.
When that cheap tool breaks or ceases to work (or heaven forbid, injurs someone), I would call that a direct effect on someone's craftsmanship. Otherwise, if a cheap saw worked as well as one 5x the price...why would the more expensive one be sold? Come on guys...there MUST BE A REASON.
I started out with some 'less than adequate' tools. A ryobi drill, an old table saw, a radial, and a DIY router table with an old underpowered router. I couldnt make an acrylic tank with those tools to save my soul. I would be better off with a hand saw. When my uncle first offered to cut acrylic for me, I asked him "whats the tolerance on the precision?...how much will the cut vary?...l.ike a 1/16, 1/8, 3/8?" He said "None". I said,"come on...no really"...and he cut the acrylic. Sure enough...it was as straight as a ruler...and not even a chip in the plexi. I didnt have to go back over the cut with a router or flame polish even. That wasnt skill, that was the machine.
Of course, if craftsmanship depends only on the craftsman, then all the automated assembly lines should be replaced with human workers. Yeah, right.
You must admit, its a combination of both the user's skill and the quality of the tools that determines the output...one depends on the other. At that, if a certain tool is all a person needs for a given application, then thats all that matters.
For acrylic work, I would use at least a 4' fence and large surface to keep the acrylic flat and stable. The accuracy of the fence is mort important. Now, if you go and put a $300 fence upgrade on a Ryobi table saw...fine (as long as the blade has a good arbor system that prevents it from wandering). You can always luck out with cheaper tools...its just not as likely.
While I am not saying that owning any tool determines your skill level, to deny that the tools abilities directly effect the craftsman's output is like saying that a marksman's ability with a rifle isnt affected by the quality of the rifle...as then skeet shooting would be done with 'sawn-off' shotty's and sniper rifles would be replaced with pistols.
When that cheap tool breaks or ceases to work (or heaven forbid, injurs someone), I would call that a direct effect on someone's craftsmanship. Otherwise, if a cheap saw worked as well as one 5x the price...why would the more expensive one be sold? Come on guys...there MUST BE A REASON.
I started out with some 'less than adequate' tools. A ryobi drill, an old table saw, a radial, and a DIY router table with an old underpowered router. I couldnt make an acrylic tank with those tools to save my soul. I would be better off with a hand saw. When my uncle first offered to cut acrylic for me, I asked him "whats the tolerance on the precision?...how much will the cut vary?...l.ike a 1/16, 1/8, 3/8?" He said "None". I said,"come on...no really"...and he cut the acrylic. Sure enough...it was as straight as a ruler...and not even a chip in the plexi. I didnt have to go back over the cut with a router or flame polish even. That wasnt skill, that was the machine.
Of course, if craftsmanship depends only on the craftsman, then all the automated assembly lines should be replaced with human workers. Yeah, right.
You must admit, its a combination of both the user's skill and the quality of the tools that determines the output...one depends on the other. At that, if a certain tool is all a person needs for a given application, then thats all that matters.
For acrylic work, I would use at least a 4' fence and large surface to keep the acrylic flat and stable. The accuracy of the fence is mort important. Now, if you go and put a $300 fence upgrade on a Ryobi table saw...fine (as long as the blade has a good arbor system that prevents it from wandering). You can always luck out with cheaper tools...its just not as likely.
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Were all well aware in a production shop high end tooling is required to keep production moving forward. As I stated above this started as a router table thread. It is obvious that the thread starter has a very limited knowledge. I really doubt he/she will be building huge aquariums any time soon. I'm not pushing the ryobi nor would I push any other saw but I'm very aware of their good and bad points. I just find it very amusing that people bash tools that they obviously know nothing about. I think if you do a bit of research you will find that the ryobi is a very accurate saw system. I could care less what brand the saw is, if its not adjusted properly it wont cut a straight line. Wood and acrylic are exactly the same when it comes to acuracy. Making a mistake can be costly with both. The tools dont make these mistake, the user does.
Don
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ErikS
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hahnmeister I believe you think I'm arguing "better", I'm not - my only point was the saw is accurate. Whether you've had good or bad luck with a given brand time & # of successful users has proven that the BT3100 is capable of extremely accurate work. For all anyone knows Ryobi "screwed up" & produced a good product :lol: Is it "better" than a PM? No, in general terms (we'd have to define "better") but it can do accurate work.
As evidenced by this thread there will always be those who can't or won't read a manuals - I'd be willing to wager NONE of their tools are setup well & produce optimum results.
As for the craftsman I'll go with DonW - I'd be willing to bet that even given the cheapest tools on the market people like David Marks or David in Cairin would produce stuff better than you or I could ever hope to achieve even with the best tools money could buy.
Back on topic - personally I like Woodpecker's plunge lift w/ an aluminum plate. They also offer custom tables so it can be made to fit any TS. The tops are very well made & won't warp or sag.
I dont know about that.
www.home.earthlink.net/~dwacker/Wood shop pictures/iroko and euc.jpgFYI David marks uses a Unisaw.
Don
Ditto on all accounts. :smokin:
A well tuned tool will always work a lot better than a untuned tool no matter what brand it is.
Also a second vote for the woodpecker lift. They work great.
Check out their website for other good route equpment. I've also got their incra router fence with the wonderfence upgrade. Love it and very easy to use.
GoldStripe
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Hey blown63chevy,
I don't mean to wander off this topic but I loved your setup in the garage. My garage is in desperate need of reorganization. Can I fly you over and get you to set me up? Just kidding, but I would like more info on your setup. We can take it off this thread if you like. Thanks!!
I don't mean to wander off this topic but I loved your setup in the garage. My garage is in desperate need of reorganization. Can I fly you over and get you to set me up? Just kidding, but I would like more info on your setup. We can take it off this thread if you like. Thanks!!
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