Roy's List is here! Identification and care of stomatopods.

Stone crabs are capable of eating all remains, particularly if the animal molted. However, extreme secretive behavior for a couple of weeks is common with animals that molt. Give it another week to make sure that he isn't hold up molting. One other possibility is that the animal made it into some of your plumbing. More than once I have had animals crawl into one of the water lines.

Roy
 
Really crud I knew I missed something :wave: :bounce3: :bounce2: :bounce1: :dance: :bounce1: :bounce2: :bounce3: :wave:
 
I was wondering if you could grace us with pictures of the stomatopod tanks you have in your lab/office.
 
Not much to see except for a lot of plastic containers and algae ridden tanks. They aren't pretty, but they keep the stomatopods alive.

Roy
 
Kudo's Roy! They are all very interesting....but I have yet to identify the very shy Mantis I have. I have 1 8lb LR with more holes in it than swiss cheese, and so far in 1 mo time, I have discovered a Gorilla Crab (caught and put in the refugium) 1 unidentified crab (tan spotted black hairy with 1 claw bigger than the other) and in the hole next to it...has moved once, lives a cute little Cuttlefish and it dines on fresh clam from the tip of a skewer! The Mantis I have seen 3 times now. It is dark blue top and light blue bottom with bright orange eyes...scared the livin daylights outta me upon first sight, it also has a blue claw with a white tip and clicks loud enough to wake me up. Length is about 3 in. and 1/4 inch wide. All are HAPPY campers in a 26 gl Nano!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9111964#post9111964 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by i_HAPPY_ru
It is dark blue top and light blue bottom with bright orange eyes...scared the livin daylights outta me upon first sight, it also has a blue claw with a white tip and clicks loud enough to wake me up. Length is about 3 in. and 1/4 inch wide. All are HAPPY campers in a 26 gl Nano!

Are you sure it's not a pistol shrimp?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7550706#post7550706 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Gonodactylus
I'm currently on the Great Barrier Reef chasing stomatopods. I have very limited email, so there isn't much I can do to modify the list. Bottom line with respect to longevity is that we have good data for only a few species. Most gonodactyloids live 4 - 7 years. Hemisquilla less - probably 4 or 5. Squillids about 3-4. Lysiosquillina up to 20. The best data we have are for Neogonodactylus which live 5 - 7.

I did try to provide lighting information based on depth. Species such as Neogonodactylus wennerae and G. affinis go pink or red below 10 m (blue light) and green shallower ( broad spectrum). Species such as Odontodactylus change little with depth.

As for metric, there are lots of good conversion programs on the web.

Back to pod catching.

Roy

My plan is still to build a nice setup for a Squilla Empusa and try to capture another when I come back from being at sea this summer. Does this mean that they are only likely to live for 3-4 years, and if so, how old are they when they get big. The one that I caught before aw about six inches long, and I wonder if he as almost as old as they get? What do you know about them? I know we're not on your coast really, so if you want me to get you some, I'd gladly give it a whack. They really have some great colors. They look like they're all beige, but they really have great subtle blues, greens and purples. Gorgeous.

-nls
 
Most of the studies that we have on squillids are for species that are in warmer waters. How seasonally cold waters such as those on the northeastern seaboard affect growth and age are unknown, but I'm sure it must slow things down considerably. Most stomatopod females can either molt or reproduce - they can't do both at the same time. Once egg production starts, that will also slow growth. Squilla empusa in the northeast is a seasonal breeder and I think only produces one or two clutchs a year (I could be wrong). What we don't know is if they molt frequently when they are not reproducing. Sorry to rattle on about this, but the bottom line is we don't have the data to make an informed guess.

Roy
 
roy i,v looked at your list. the mantis i,ve seen in my tank dosn't have the same color as any of these it is dark blue w/electric blue stripes on front legs sort of like the blue hermits its eaten.its a smasher tho seen it hitting rock and chipping out a larger hole it is about 1 in. long can u tell me what it is...
 
I've noticed you have TBS live rock. It is likely an N. wennerae. Look at the list. I believe there is a blue one on it.....Great species, ges about 3 inches, pretty active, though it varies between individuals.
 
thanks a bunch not sure if i want to keep it or not hmmm...but must catch it first lol got an empty tank but not sure if i want to make another saltwater tank so soon before i'm usedto taking care of the first one
 
N. wenneraeare super hard. Just get a 10 galon, a glass cover an use some cured live rock and some sand from an established tank. pick up a can of freeze dried krill, a pack of frozen shrimp, and feed every other day or so. Feed live hard foods (snails, hermits) maybe once a month, and soak in selcon once a week. Do a 10% water change every week. easy.
 
lol peabrain, that was a rushed post! lol michelle, he meant the wennies are super HARDY and they certainly are. he also meant for you to soak the frozens in selcon. the live food you just throw in the tank and let the mantis hunt. I love watching my G. smithii destroy crabs. make sure the live isn't big enough to harm the mantis though... ive seen a one eyed mantis before because of this.

btw, i don't like freeze dried stuff. i like to stick to frozens. just a personal preference.

btw michelle, with a bit more experience you could even start a reef tank... but where? why in the mantis tank of course silly! mantis among corals make amazing pics and it really is an amazing thing... fish don't even compare. just keep it in mind for later.
 
Nice list,
I have a general question regarding the common field, "Aquarium size (adult): ##L". How do we know Neogonodactylus wennerae need at least 20L for instance? From pictures, Video, and general observations, I hardly ever see these Mantis shrimp leave there caves. When they do leave there lair, it's rarely for more than 30 seconds and then they zip right back into there tiny burrow. I don't mean to sound mean or anything like that but whats the 20L for?
 
My recommendation for aquarium size is just that - a recommendation based on my experience keeping these animals, what I know about their behavior in the field, physiological tolerances and other factors such as their tendency to bury food and molt skins. If you want, you can keep an adult N. wennerae in half a liter of water changed every four days (I have about 50 being held in the lab just that way.) However, if you want an animal that grows at a normal rate, reproduces and behaves as they do in the field, then a stable, larger tank is required.

N. wennerae/bredini has been my primary research animal since I first worked on it in Bermuda 40 years ago. I have collected probably close to 100,000 of them, spent thousands of hours watching their behavior and have hundreds of hours of video taken in the field. While when maintained in a small aquarium and provided food at or near the cavity, they may remain secretive. In the field where food (and mates) are more scarce and must be searched for, adult N. wennerae make several ftrips away from the cavity starting just after dawn, slowing at mid-day and picking up towards sunset. Cavities are always closed by dusk and opened at dawn.

Actually, behavior in an aquarium doesn't really look much like field activity until the animals are housed in a really large tank, but a 10 gal is a nice compromise that promotes good water quality and gives the animal room to move about.

Can they be kept in a smaller system? Sure. Will they behave as they would in the field? Probably not. Will they they grow and reproduce as much as in the field and live as long? No. Are they as happy? I have no idea.
 
Thanks! I find mantis so enjoyable to watch. I'm just trying to get into a N.wennerae or the larger O.scyllarus's head to figure out what they want and if there needs differ much with regards to tank size (Understood, some use rocks, some dig tunnels, etc). It sounds like there kind of like us, Sleep, Feed & Breed. =)
 
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