SEASL By-laws change request

"We have chosen to visit Nicââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s home to help diversify the content of our meetings. Nic will discuss the fragging & growing of zoanthids & ricordea. He will also share his experiences on operating a small coral farm. (I see that statement as being VERY "interesting".)

I think maybe this should read

"We have chosen to visit Nicââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s home to help diversify the content of our meetings. Nic will discuss the fragging & growing of zoanthids & ricordea. He will also share his experiences on taking peoples money and then fleeing the country. The subject of ignorning emails and responding only when threatened by the law will be discussed at length. Please bring your fake ebay names for some hands on training. (I see that statement as being VERY "interesting".)

Yes, this is tongue in cheek, but understand from a personal point of view, if SEASL will support this person, I cannot support SEASL.
 
Well, day number 3 now and still no answer. How long does it take to change two lines of the by-laws or respond to the membership?

Sure hope the the board doesn't delay things as long as they can and then say it's too late to make the changes before nomination / vote day.
 
Yes, this is tongue in cheek, but understand from a personal point of view, if SEASL will support this person, I cannot support SEASL.

this is coming from a stock broker/insurance salesman:rollface:
 
You won't capo, you will have to wait till the next meeting. Didn't you read Jim's statement. SEASL is an organization founded on the basis of doing the same thing but in a face-to-face setting. That is the way Jim would like to keep it. :thumbsup: I wish I wouldn't have said a thing. Keep my ideas to myself. Do my own thing that way I don't have to worry about head honchos deciding what they would like to do or how they would like to do it. When you were a kid what was the main thing that kept you from having a blast. To many rules!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6813050#post6813050 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Saltgills
There was a very insightful comment that was made in this forum last week. The person basically observed that this forum works well for local people who prefer to communicate and share hobby information via the Internet. That person also noted that SEASL is an organization founded on the basis of doing the same thing but in a face-to-face setting. (Honestly, that is my personal preference.) This forum and SEASL were structured to serve people in the same hobby, but who prefer different methods of interaction.

The members who approved the by-laws, with the intention of encouraging attendance to make officer nominations, did so unanimously in November of 2005. That wasn't so long ago. So, letââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s allow the executive officers proceed, according to the constraints of the by-laws, and with a little encouragement on our part. Remember the more time they are distracted with non-program issues, the less time they have to more forward with some of the great ideas that have been presented.
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I think Dave is just reminding everyone to behave in this most sensitive of threads. No one wants to hurt anyone's feelings, although a little input from our elected officers would be helpful. :-)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6821514#post6821514 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by geoxman
Yes, this is tongue in cheek, but understand from a personal point of view, if SEASL will support this person, I cannot support SEASL.

this is coming from a stock broker/insurance salesman:rollface:
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Very uncool on so many levels. In that statement you compare my business ethics to those of Zomania. I take offense at that very deeply. I pride myself on my professionalism and dedication to my clients, and cant understand what would prompt such a comment.

If I have offended you in some way, fine, let me know. Attack my actions here on the boards. But do NOT attack my morals or ethics.

Im done here for a while. maybe Ill lurk but not worth posting anymore with comments like that.

Later
 
Aww come on stlguy your always good for a few laughs don't go away. Make a presence around here beside we need to fix this little SEASL loop hole so I can go to Indiana instead of Zilla for a big frag swap and to meet other hobbyist. Thanks for the free bump though. :thumbsup: later

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6813050#post6813050 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Saltgills
The members who approved the by-laws, with the intention of encouraging attendance to make officer nominations, did so unanimously in November of 2005.
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This seems a little strange to me, but since I am relatively new to SEASL and ReefCentral, I will try to explain my confusion.

It looks like a pretty big issue and I fully understand all the time it takes to process this type of an issue, but why is Jim Craig acting like the official SEASL spokesman here? Is Jim Craig an officer? The SEASL website lists the following people as officers.

Executive Officers:
Becky McAlister
Brad Witte
Greg Frimel

Supporting Officers:
Tom Gibbons
Barry Pearlman
Gary Duke
Darrin Trager

So, my point here is, it seems to me that Jim Craig is making the statements about this issue as if he is part of the SEASL officers. I think things would be more clear to the membership if an actual Officer was answering some of these concerns instead of Jim. JMHO Nothing against Jim, but it sure seems to me as a new person that he is part of the board.

I do agree that some people on here are way to critical about the way people word their postings. As an example, when Becky posted that SEASL needed volunteers to help research and implement some of the ideas put forth by RamTheory, it seemed people were more ready to complain about HOW she worded her note then they were to volunteer to help make SEASL better. I saw Becky's note as a positive way to start dialog for improvements.

To my main issue at hand

I agree that you should be present at a meeting to "nominate" someone for office. Since you only need one person to nominate someone, there is no reason to worry about a nomination being over-turned. I have heard the stories and can see why a lot of members would not want to attend the next meeting at Zomania.

As far as the actual "voting" for officers, if absentee ballots are used for everything in this country, including voting for the president, what is the big issue about allowing electronic voting? You will never get a day when all 70+ voting members of SEASL are able to attend a meeting. Making a requirement that you attend a meeting to be able to have your vote/voice heard is a little crazy sounding to me.

OK, there is my opinion on this thing, not that anyone asked for it
 
I have recently learned that the Officers of SEASL do not post in the SEASL section of RC because they feel it is an unfriendly environment. That in itself seems odd to me, because this is the forum where SEASL members can speak their peace and ideas are easily exchanged.

Jim was only trying to shed light on the issues as he is a former officer and knew the current officers will not respond here. I would like to thank Jim for that.

I apologize for making the current officers uncomfortable by asking that they respond here and apologize to anyone I made uncomfortable who is not an officer. I don't understand why the officers are afraid of this forum but I will respect their fear.
 
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of ReefCentral, I will fear no evil...

Having attended the last three SEASL elections my first reaction is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but I am at the same time hesitant to exclude anyone from the voting process. I support a move toward allowing absentee voting but only if said move is done according to SEASL by laws, which ironically, by my interpretation means an election!

Gary Duke
SEASL Membership Chairman
 
If officers feel that ReefCentral.com is an unfriendly environment and fear backlash, they could always use the SEASL mailing list to respond to SEASL members. At least it would be a response. That seems to be the major issue here. People just want a response, even if it is to say that the matter is being taken into consideration and nothing more. We want to know that the officers are listening.
 
Seems the supporting officers are always here, helping out, answering questions and participating, which is a good thing.

I never considered that we had 2 SEASL's but the implication is we do. One that the members enjoy and one the executive officers enjoy.

What do we need to do to bring them together?
 
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