SEASL By-laws change request

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853379#post6853379 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Letmegrow
What you said Darrin is wrong, I am sorry.
Sharing the information about how someone ACTUALLY RAN THEIR BUISINESS FOR OVER A YEAR, is the most vital piece of information.

I am not incorrect with what I said. The information I posted is from SEASL's policies which are listed on SEASL.org.

"SEASL encourages members to support local retailers but will neither encourage or discourage alternative purchasing options. Each member is free to determine the level of risk they are willing to take."

And that "risk" is something that you accept anytime you make a purchase with any company.

 

[capncapo]

Regardless, the fact remains that folks from another club forum contacted this forum to ask asbout Nic. Many SEASL members, including myself, stood up for Nic and stated that if past performance was any indication that they had nothing to worry about and that Nic would take care of them.

Nic more or less hung us out to dry after defending him and his business.

I have said it before that personally, I like Nic but I will not condone anyone taking the money of anyone and not delivering what was promised. I still feel the same way. If you choose to that is your perrogative but I can't and won't do it.

 

[Letmegrow]

Tried to get technical but it did not work.

I am saying you are wrong for thinking SEASL is right for standing by that law.

 

[bkh24]

I am just a little suprise to see some members ripping others about about how they support some vendors. I dont think one meeting at a questionable store makes the officers or the club bad. I will not be going but only because of work again. I was not meaning to call names but I guess in the process I did. My mistake. It just gets a little carried away on this page sometimes like it is life or death. If some people dont want to me members then fine dont be members. I would like to think of myself as a generous person and would love it if this forum was a place that you could just share corals that you have had sucess with not or financial gain but for the improvement of the hobby as a whole. I have had times when I tried to sell corals on this site but I am thinking now that that was a mistake. I should have just offered them up to anyone that wanted them. That is what I wish this club could be a place to share information and livestock with others without getting into these major conflicts. Just what I would like to see and I know that it will NEVER happen and I am fine with that. I just care about the hobby (I never thought I would)

 

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853489#post6853489 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capncapo
Regardless, the fact remains that folks from another club forum contacted this forum to ask asbout Nic. Many SEASL members, including myself, stood up for Nic and stated that if past performance was any indication that they had nothing to worry about and that Nic would take care of them.

Nic more or less hung us out to dry after defending him and his business.

I have said it before that personally, I like Nic but I will not condone anyone taking the money of anyone and not delivering what was promised. I still feel the same way. If you choose to that is your perrogative but I can't and won't do it.

I think that is a valid statement, except that although you have the 'right' to speak your mind, you do not have the ability to say it is on behalf of SEASL. But, I firmly believe that you have an understanding of that.

This forum has very little to do with SEASL. The comments contained within this forum are not scrutinized by SEASL. This site belongs to Reef Central and they have sole control over it's content.

I think your last paragraph was perfect. After you voice your opinion, you have to let others make the judgement call on their own.

 

[capncapo]

Then why punish me for my beliefs?

This thread was started because some folks choose not to go to Nics. Believe it or nor, some folks also choose not to go or have other commitments that will keep them from making the Zilla III trip. Problem is, if they can't go they can't vote.

Maybe SEASL should give an information sheet and make every prospective member sign a waiver stating that they are aware that they forfeit their rights as a member if they do not make it to the meeting in order to vote. I wonder if that would have any effect on the number of members.

 

[rams]

out with the old in with the new :thumbsup:

capo it will never work for them so you got your answer.

 

[Letmegrow]

Next meeting will be at Dobeladys house, and Darrin will give an ethics demonstration.

 

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853639#post6853639 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Letmegrow
Next meeting will be at Dobeladys house, and Darrin will give an ethics demonstration.

That's her name. I think they removed her name from Reef Central or at least blocked her.

I did have an issue with her - SEASL did not. I worked with her as best as I could, unfortunately she never made good on the deal.

I accepted that risk and I got over it!

 

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853599#post6853599 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capncapo
Then why punish me for my beliefs?

This thread was started because some folks choose not to go to Nics. Believe it or nor, some folks also choose not to go or have other commitments that will keep them from making the Zilla III trip. Problem is, if they can't go they can't vote.

Maybe SEASL should give an information sheet and make every prospective member sign a waiver stating that they are aware that they forfeit their rights as a member if they do not make it to the meeting in order to vote. I wonder if that would have any effect on the number of members.

I think the thread is about electronic voting, because there are many reasons why people miss meetings other than Nic.

I haven't really looked, but I think that if people are serious about making changes, they should start a thread on why we should vote for them.

I personally vote for people who I feel are objective and can contribute or have contributed a large amount of their time to making better the Reef-keeping practices in St. Louis, someone without bias, willing to address valid issues through proper channels and people who enjoy the hobby.

Our current officers were elected on the reasons above.

So, with that being said, I want to know what Ramtheory has in mind that will better the club if he is elected. Start the thread, brother!

 

[rams]

It is good to see most of us have thick skin and don't exaggerate

Darrin we "were" just trying to get SEASL to accommodate all, make it better, and more interactive. Some just don't want to except change there would most likely be more volunteer work if suggestions were made public and ideas were made reality quicker before lost of interest and for the officers at least throw out there what they need help with

 

[Letmegrow]

Who cares what RC does, her name is not taboo anyways, you should come out and say it.

SEASL is the issue here.

The difference I see is that WHOMEVER in SEASL is willing to work some the likes of Dobelady.

Yet someone like Goalie66(Tom) would tell you that she did alot of people wrong and to avoid her if you did not want to be burned.

That is the kind of person I would want to run SEASL, not someone who rips people off and sabotages an auction.

SEASL would be the equivalent to a LFS who let people walk out with Elegance Corals.

Buyer Beware = Club Members Beware.

 

[rams]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853743#post6853743 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefWerkes

So, with that being said, I want to know what Ramtheory has in mind that will better the club if he is elected. Start the thread, brother!

Sorry Darrin already started a ripple in the water do a search. I am sure the current officers wouldn't like my get it done now more interactive ways. Had some ideas they can run with it.

Dennis

 

[capncapo]

"I haven't really looked, but I think that if people are serious about making changes, they should start a thread on why we should vote for them."

Are you implying that in order to make suggestions a person has to run for office or am I reading that incorrectly?

 

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853755#post6853755 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Letmegrow
SEASL is the issue here.

Yet someone like Goalie66(Tom) would tell you that she did alot of people wrong and to avoid her if you did not want to be burned.

That is the kind of person I would want to run SEASL, not someone who rips people off and sabotages an auction.

Buyer Beware = Club Members Beware.

Dobelady was my risk - not SEASL's. Quit trying to beat a dead horse.

So, if Tom says they're bad, you'll stay away from them irregardless of what others say? Tom wouldn't last very long. What if the issue is with Tom rather than the LFS? You'd still stick by him?

From what I know, Nic is not running the club, simply someone who is generous enough to allow a lot of people to come to his place for a meeting. Members will decide whether Nic should be an executive member.

It is a club, not the Better Business Bureau.

 

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853790#post6853790 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capncapo
"I haven't really looked, but I think that if people are serious about making changes, they should start a thread on why we should vote for them."

Are you implying that in order to make suggestions a person has to run for office or am I reading that incorrectly?

Absolutely not, but it seems that when Dennis said "out with the old in with the new" that he was ready for the top spot that will be available.

I'm not even sure who people are interested in nominating, but I'd sure be interested to know. Moreover, I'd like to know what they plan on implementing. I think everyone would like to know.

 

[Letmegrow]

I got to know Tom, and yes I would fallow his word over any three of the Officers.

That is obvious to me atleast.

To fallow his word over my own judgement, that's up to me, but I would thank Tom or anyone else who kept my hard earned money in my pocket.

 

[capncapo]

Darrin,

My belief is that electronic voting will hurt no one and will benefit the club by allowing more of the members to take part in the election process. I see no negatives whatsoever associated with that. Do you?

 

[Goalie66]

I agree with the electronic voting and I plan on bringing it up at the next meeting, as far as my experience with other RC'ers go, if I have a problem with someone and someone asks me my opinion on tht person I will give it, not as a SEASL member, but as me. I have a lot of respect for people around here and have got my bumbs and bruises along the way. I also have got a lot out of SEASL and want to become a bigger part of it. One of my first meetings was at Greg Frimels house and right from the start he made me feel very welcome and took time to answer any questions I had, the same with Brad and Becky and Jim and Darrin and Steve, ... You see where I'm going with this. Everyone has a right to their opinion but it is just that their opinion, you are free to do with that opinion as you wish. I do feel that SEASL as a club is not responsible for letting members know of some members bad experience with other "members" but I do feel it is the members themselves, in a tactful way, "warn" the other members of any wrong doings. I've been in this club for nearly 3 years now and this, to my knowledge, is the first time we've had any "problems" I'm sure they will be addressed. Sorry if I seem to be rambling but I wanted to say something here before I get back to work.
Everyone have a nice day!

Tom

 

[ReefWerkes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6853938#post6853938 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by capncapo
Darrin,

My belief is that electronic voting will hurt no one and will benefit the club by allowing more of the members to take part in the election process. I see no negatives whatsoever associated with that. Do you?

I have no issues with it and I see little harm with it. But there has been no descriptive plans laid out that I am aware of.

Email - Might go to their SPAM folder directly.

SEASL.org - Some people may have multiple accounts with different email accounts altering the accuracy of the vote

What if a tie needs to be broken, then what?

Even still, I have no issues with the vote as an option for those who are unable to attend, irregardless of the reason.

I do; however, have issues with the way it is being presented. Personal attacks on the Executive Members are being made and personally if I were them I wouldn't respond to any of this. It is simply not constructive. Maybe this is the way that people are used to communicating, but I find it unnacceptable.