Several Clownfish???

cheesecreaper

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I have a 210-gallon mixed reef and amongst other fish, I have 2 ocellaris clowns. My clowns are about a year old and I really would like to keep several. I have 4 RBTAS in my tank right now so there wouldn't be any competition for a host. Has anyone had any luck adding juvenile clowns at this stage? And if so how did you do it and how many did you add?
 
I have an orange ocellaris and a black ocellaris. I plan on getting 2 juvenile black snowflake clowns, 2 black ice snowflakes, and maybe 2 snowflakes. I just have to see what my LFS will order for me. I also plan on adding 1 Magnificent anemone and one carpet anemone. Should I get an acclimation box just to be safe?
 
What I've read (and recently tried) was just have an anenome for each pair and the clowns won't get aggressive, we use all different kinds of BTA's had 4 pairs going in a 100 gallon until the tangs gave everyone ich and we got frustrated and converted it to cupramine fowler. Then without the anenomes I only noticed any aggression from the non-tank-raised clowns, which soon passed. We even have one oddball allardi in with the pairs. I think if you have plenty of room, and hiding spots for when they are establishing initial territory you're good.
 
I should mention that the aggressiveness was really just one clown( Amphiprion chrysopterus), a large 5 inch Blue Stripe which are kinda known for that. and the rest are mostly young oscellaris pairs females 1.5-2" males 1".
 
Their is no guarentee that your bts will be the host's to the clowns though so you cant use that as a fail safe.
 
Their is no guarentee that your bts will be the host's to the clowns though so you cant use that as a fail safe.
No if they are wild caught clowns I've never had a problem, but tank raised I've tried putting pictures on the tank of clowns in anenomes(sounds stupid but it does work sometimes) , and trapped them in a submerged container with the anenome with about a 20% success rate, personally I just think TR clowns are a little dumber, lol.
 
No if they are wild caught clowns I've never had a problem, but tank raised I've tried putting pictures on the tank of clowns in anenomes(sounds stupid but it does work sometimes) , and trapped them in a submerged container with the anenome with about a 20% success rate, personally I just think TR clowns are a little dumber, lol.

They are not dumber - they never learned. Usually their parents get kept without anemone, so the larva never learn to recognize the scent of an anemone. Finding anemones is only in part instinct. An equally important part is learning the chemical signature of their parents anemone while still in the egg:

Embryonic learning of chemical cues via the parents' host in anemonefish (Amphiprion ocellaris) (Full PDF here)
(originally posted here: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=24375522&postcount=11)

Abstract

The species-specific host-recognition system of anemonefish was examined experimentally, with a particular focus on the function of imprinting using naive Amphiprion ocellaris juveniles. Anemonefish parents lay their eggs very close to their host anemone so the eggs are almost always touched by the host's body or tentacles. Here, we demonstrate the embryonic and immediate post-hatching learning of chemical cues via the parents' host in A. ocellaris through a host-exchange experiment with egg batches during hatching. The memory obtained from such imprinting operates at the time when juveniles first search for their hosts. Unexpectedly, innate recognition was found to exist not only in the symbiotic host species but also weakly in two non-partner species. Innate recognition alone is not sufficient. Imprinting via the parents' host complements innate recognition, leading to rigid species-specific host recognition. Imprinting by the parents' single host provides a sufficient cue for reaching the two host species. Furthermore, when combined with imprinting, innate recognition of non-partners serves to supplement the recognition of those species, leading to substitute partnerships that are only observed in some localities. Potential functions of imprinting in the host-recognition system are discussed. The "œspare recognition hypothesis" and the necessity of clear distinctions between symbiotic and substitute species are also proposed here.
 
See I always figured it was just cause they use anenomes for cover and protection and TR clowns don't have predators so no need to learn that, and survival of the fittest and all that too since the not-so-smart clowns are going to get eaten in the wild, but leave it to scientists to find some other reason besides common sense. lol
 
Not sure I buy the whole chemical cue thing though since I've seen clowns host in frogspawn, torch, hammers, star polyps, even chaeto, pretty sure chaeto don't smell like anenomes. heh
 
Adding clowns after other clowns have established territory can definitely cause some unwanted aggression. I lost my favorite phantom when I was temporarily housing a bigger pair of clowns that escaped the holding box I had for them. They beat each other up and eventually I lost the pair as well. The 5 clowns I have now, I'd have to take them all out if I wanted another harem, and that's with having 3 ritteri and 6+ BTAs. The biggest "pair" in the tank are a total length of 5" together and guard a 28"+ around ritteri; they let NO other clowns in there. Clowns can be unrelenting and will die rather than back down...silly awesome fish.
 
The biggest "pair" in the tank are a total length of 5" together and guard a 28"+ around ritteri;.
Yeah tank size is a consideration as is the size of the clownfish and the anenome the bigger those are the bigger the territory they will establish. With BTA's the area was never that big for me, we had several pairs in a 100gallon. Personality of the fish is a big part too, you may get a Maroon that thinks the whole tank is his no matter what you do, or I've had some maroons that weren't aggressive at all.
 
I agree tank bred clowns are not dumb by any means, but I do not believe this makes them less likely to accept a host anemone, the instinct is still very much there just like your dog that circles the floor to "lay down the grass" just as their wild ancestors did.

The problem I see more than anything is people not matching their clown to a natural host anemone that they would be found in the wild, so often it takes longer and some cases they just do not take to it at all.

The only difference I see is tank bred seem less aggressive, maybe because they are not introduced to an aggressive environment and the instinct to protect themselves or their territory has not been needed, and if tank inhabitants do not mess w/ them they seem to remain passive.

Keeping multiple clowns in a normal size tank always comes w/ risk of aggression, best is clowns from the same clutch introduced as juvies.
 
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Not sure I buy the whole chemical cue thing though since I've seen clowns host in frogspawn, torch, hammers, star polyps, even chaeto, pretty sure chaeto don't smell like anenomes. heh

if you take the time to read that article it may make more sense.

I must be really unobservant anyway though as I've never even noticed they had noses.

If you look closely you will find that fish have nose openings in roughly the same spots as other animals. The olfactory senses of fish can be very sensitive. Salmon for example find back to their birth river by smell.
 
210 gallon? No problem! Just throw them all in there. More than enough room for all of them. It's fine. (I didn't bother reading the comments btw lol)
 
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I'm guessing you may be joking but just in case not or anyone that might be reading should be aware LFS keep multiples of juvies for a short term, it's a different story when clowns mature and become territorial.
You'll probably also see most quality LFS will keep pairs in small tanks separated from each other.
 
I'm guessing you may be joking but just in case not or anyone that might be reading should be aware LFS keep multiples of juvies for a short term, it's a different story when clowns mature and become territorial.
You'll probably also see most quality LFS will keep pairs in small tanks separated from each other.

Which is why i edited it out :)
 
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