** Share any symptoms of possible palytoxin poisoning you may have experienced.

I was messing around with some zoa yesterday and shortly after my thumb(witch is split) started to throb. The pain/sensation continued through the day slowly moving up my arm. Had to take some pain killers just to go to bed. Today I still have a throbbing pain all the way up my arm and my shoulder is killing me. Hopefully it goes away soon but I'm going to try the benedryl idea to see if that helps at all.
 
I was messing around with some zoa yesterday and shortly after my thumb(witch is split) started to throb. The pain/sensation continued through the day slowly moving up my arm. Had to take some pain killers just to go to bed. Today I still have a throbbing pain all the way up my arm and my shoulder is killing me. Hopefully it goes away soon but I'm going to try the benedryl idea to see if that helps at all.

You need to go to the hospital! Spreading pain is a really bad sign.
 
I was messing around with some zoa yesterday and shortly after my thumb(witch is split) started to throb. The pain/sensation continued through the day slowly moving up my arm. Had to take some pain killers just to go to bed. Today I still have a throbbing pain all the way up my arm and my shoulder is killing me. Hopefully it goes away soon but I'm going to try the benedryl idea to see if that helps at all.

Listen to Hollback.

Hello, I am not being rude and I mean absolutely no disrespect. But I don't understand why you are sharing this now when you need to stop right now, call someone, and get to an ER ASAP. There are several threads right here in the forum regarding this issue my friend. Thanks again for sharing, but please log off and see a doctor and share these links with your doctor. It may very well be nothing more than one of the compounds within these polyps which is causing your issue. I doubt very seriously that it is PT ( Palytoxin ), as you would be gravely ill by now or most likely dead. It could be MM but you won't know till you see a doctor. Contact your doctor now my friend and read the links below or access them from the hospital. Again, I mean no harm my friend.

Mucho Reef


http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2063473

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1858696
 
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Sick from zoas

Sick from zoas

Hi all, well the 1st and 2nd time I got sick after rearranging my zoa tank I thought it was coincidence, just the flu or food poisoning. Asmia like symbols, like the flu with tight breathing and chills. Don't really scare me just didn't feel good and went to bed. After the 3rd time getting sick and seeing 2 clowns and a bunch of mushroom corals die I realized it was the tank. I have a wide variety of zoas and polyps and love 'em. I have no idea which did the damage but wears gloves now. Thanks and good reefing.
 
i've just poisoned by zoanthus last night while dipping a large zoanthus rock in h2o2 for zoapox. I always thought that only palytoa are dangerous so i didn't use gloves.
After a couple of hours i felt sick, dizziness,chills, cramps, pain all over the body and ipersensitive skin and something like tetanus symptoms (arched back, restless legs,stiff neck).Asthma like symptoms too.
The symptoms lasts for 12 hours then disappears leaving me weak.
Poison control center said to check for any sign of renal failure and to drink a lot of water
 
furan 2 is unavailable here in italy . peroxide dip worked in the past.
The poisoning is maybe related to h2o2 foam or maybe because my hands are scratched by parrot any time
 
i've just poisoned by zoanthus last night while dipping a large zoanthus rock in h2o2 for zoapox. I always thought that only palytoa are dangerous so i didn't use gloves.
After a couple of hours i felt sick, dizziness,chills, cramps, pain all over the body and ipersensitive skin and something like tetanus symptoms (arched back, restless legs,stiff neck).Asthma like symptoms too.
The symptoms lasts for 12 hours then disappears leaving me weak.
Poison control center said to check for any sign of renal failure and to drink a lot of water

Many don't even know what is a Palythoa and call Zoanthus spp. "palys".
Once again we should be careful with all the zoanthids, not only the Palythoa spp., but Zoanthus and Protopalythoa spp. also.

I believe the problem could be caused because of a possible excessive dose of H2O2 used in the treatment, forcing the poison to be expelled by the polyps. I usually recommend 1 part of H2O2 to 2 or 3 parts of tank water. H2O2 is used mainly to treat algae from plugs, and shouldn't be added to the tank in the normal basis IMO, nor used more than 50%50% because it can damage the zoas. I never had good luck treating frags with more than 50%50%.

650-IS350 is write. H2O2 shouldn't be used for pox. Furan 2 is normaly recommended.

http://www.zoaid.com/articles004.php

Grandis.
 
furan 2 is unavailable here in italy . peroxide dip worked in the past.
The poisoning is maybe related to h2o2 foam or maybe because my hands are scratched by parrot any time

Perhaps you didn't have pox in the past. I don't remember anyone that could cure pox with H2O2. Please let us know the procedure you used.
Thanks,
Grandis.
 
it was 1:10 h2'o2 tank water....the difference this time was that i added some buffer to raise alkalinity in the dipping box
 
it's surely pox...small white dots that increase in size causing erosion in the tissue.
1:10 h202 3%, tank water in a box and dipping for 20 minutes.
but i think is not a definitive cure, because after 3 4 months the problem come back

edit: I forgot to mention to gently brush the polyps with hands, possibly scratched by parrot to achieve a better result
 
I recently was cleaning my tank after my heater went out and everything died. After this happened, I started getting a algea infestation, with lots of green hair algea. So, I thought the best way to get it back to normal would be to clean the rocks with a little elbow grease and a toothbrush. I took the rocks out and started cleaning, and like I said earlier, everything was "dead". After about 20 to 30 minutes I started sneezing uncontrollably, and then after about an hour or so, I started having shortness of breath, and very shallow rapid breathing. I thought if I just lay down for a bit it would get better. After another 1 hour, I couldn't catch my breath and decided I better go to the hospital. The usual tests were done, EKG, xray, labs, all negative. By the next am, my labs indicated I was septic and needed to be transferred to the ICU. A day later and a lot of fluids to keep my blood pressure up, I was moved back to a regular room. 3 days later I was able to go home, and a week later I was about 95% back to normal, still occasional shortness of breath with activity. I think that I inhaled some palytoxin from the "dead zoas" on the rocks while I was cleaning. My LFS owner was the one who put 2+2 for me...THANKS Dan!
 
And now for my .02.

Had to move my 60g cube yesterday to make way for new carpet. The main rock in the tank is siliconed to the bottom (who knew pumice floats???) The entire top of the rock is covered with both zoanthids and palythoas. Brushing against them was unavoidable as I cleared out all the loose rock, but I gave it no thought because I have never been bothered before. By the time I was done, my right arm was bright red, and I got several small scrapes as a bonus. This morning (about 18hrs later) my arm is very sensitive to touch, and it feels like it has a severe sunburn. The skin around all scrapes is a puckered white (palytoxin being a vasoconstrictor, I'm not surprised). I'll be keeping an eye on it as the day progresses. If it seems to be getting worse, I'll be off the the Urgent Care, where they will not have a clue. I have already printed out several articles regarding incidental exposure to take with me to help guide them with diagnosis/treatment.

Maybe gloves when I move the tank back to the living room????
 
I've always been a fan of nitrile gloves, to protect yourself from you cnidarians and vice-versa. If need be, you can get shoulder-length gloves.

In your case, it may just be stings, not palytoxin. Mild cnidarian stings are often not immediately noticeable.
 
Not sure if I had an issue with this poison, but the other day I was placing my first zoa frag in my new tank. I had never heard of any poison with these before so i just used my bare hand. This frag was not on a stone or frag rock. It was just a sorry looking piece of zoa that my lfs gave me for free because it looked like it was doomed. I took it home and hand placed it in a little nook on a piece of rock. It now looks great and has tripled in size in 2 weeks. However, that night, IU was playing their last game in the tournament and when I get nervous I tend to chew on my finger nails. It started with me sweating. Then I got chills. Then I got very nauseous. My tounge was a little numbish and my beer was starting to taste very metallic. So I said screw it...I'm goin to bed. It lasted for about 4 hours. Sucked! I now wear gloves, and I'll start wearing eye protection from this point forward. Thanks for this thread. Very very informative.
 
I just have a frag that I purchased today. About 15 polyps. I had handled it a few times trying to place it to get best view.
well a few hrs after my sinuses are burning, eyes burn and headache. Could this be symptoms?.

Paul:sad1:
 
poisoned again...thirth time! the second time, i was only cleaning some rocks with brush, and after 1 hour i ended up in ER.
After that, a local authority for biotoxin monitoring takes away my paly and analyze it: palytoxin at high level and Vibrio Vulnificus bacteria inside polips.
Last week poisoned again (Creatine phosphokinase above normal confirm palytoxin effect), so i discovered my other zoanthid (that i had for 10 years without any problem, also while fragmenting, brushing,..) is toxic at high level too.
Perhaps bacteria have made it poisonous as well?
 
Got shot in the eye on saturday by a purple zoa. Eye burns and feels like someone keeps poking me in it. Also got some in my mouth but instantly rinsed with straight peroxide. So I didn't get sick, just a messed up eye.



Yes I've been to the hospital.
 
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fourth time...this time i found and removed some childs of the paly's colony removed months ago. I took them with gloves and then put them in a small box with tank water waiting for bring them to a lab. This time only the exhalation was enough to poisoning me. Asthma-like symptoms and fever at 40° C. I avoided to go to ER because i think that this time they would call the psychiatric care
 
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