Should I buy an electric flame scallop?

Crustman

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I am fascinated by these. I don't think they can survive for over a year in a reef aquarium. They are plankton feeders. I just have the phytoplex, zooplex and marine snow. Are any of these captive bred. I think they come from Fiji. What is the electricity in the mantle of these? I found these movies on them. Please convince me not to buy one. I have 2 Tridacna and relatively peaceful marine fish in an established aquarium. Thanks
http://www.oceanfootage.com/stockfootage/Flame_Scallop
 
I've seen it on the do not buy list of specimens that have a very low chance of survival. I don't think you can feed them enough without fouling your reef tank. I had one years ago, problematic with it's propulsion, blew sand everywhere and toppled over live rock upon collision.
 
Flame scallops are an animal that is poorly suited to aquarium life. Unlike tridacna clams, they are completely heterotrophic, meaning they must collect all of their food from the water column. In all but the most dedicated system, these animals will starve to death in a little over 6 months. Overall, these shouldnt be put into anything but dedicated non-photosynthetic tanks with constant drips of phytoplankton and zooplankton.

The "electric" flashes in the mantle of some flame scallops is not electric at all. In fact, it is a thin membrane, colored blue-white that they rapidly flash and hide, which gives the appearance of electricity running through the mantle.
 
Thanks Cap and Icy. I understand the flashes now. The guy at the pet store was saying it was phosphoresence. I did not buy one because I don't want more phosphate in my tank from all the food.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14325609#post14325609 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by icy1155
In fact, it is a thin membrane, colored blue-white that they rapidly flash and hide, which gives the appearance of electricity running through the mantle.

You were right on the money, up until this part. It's not a colored membrane that they flash, it's bioluminescence causing that flash ;)

Crustman, phosphoresence has nothing to do with phosphate ;)
 
You dont want one. It will hide all the time and they dont live long. Ive had one, im speaking from experience.
 
Hi Bill,

Sorry - but icy1155 is correct, the "flash" that you see is simply a reflective membrane that is rippled back and forth by the animal. It sure looks like it's bioluminescent, but it isn't. The easiest test is to look at one in dim light, or at night - there is no flash at all. I was dumbfounded when I finally figured that out, because it looks all the world that it was self-luminescent - but it isn't, its just highly reflective!
There are some freshwater mussels that do something similar - they wave their mantle back and forth in the current - and their mantle is brown with a fringe on it - and one dark spot. What it ends up looking like is a small fish! Predatory fish see that and try to eat it - and the mussle then releases a cloud of its parasitic larvae into the predator's mouth - allowing the larvae to hook onto the fish's gills. Here is a link to a movie about one species, I've seen better, but it sort of gives you the idea:

http://www.fws.gov/midwest/mussel/multimedia/higgins_eye.html



Jay
 
Did found some interesting stuff on google. A number of scientific references that list several species of file clams (flame scallops) as bioluminescence, but far more interesting was some actual research. The following abstract is from Venus : the Japanese journal of malacology.

http://ci.nii.ac.jp/naid/110004773315/

Generation of the streak-like flash in the inner-fold of the mantle in Ctenoides ales was investigated by video-camera recording, and stereo, light, fluorescence and electron microscopy. The stereo microscopy revealed the presence of a pale white band along the entire width of the marginal edge of the shell side surface of the inner fold. Since the flashing could not be seen in the dark, it was not due to the luminescence but the reflection of light. The light microscopy showed that the band region consisted of about ten rows of epithelial cells, cylindrical and 40 μm tall and 10 μm wide. The cytoplasm was densely filled with fine granules, eosinophilic in H-E staining. Under the electron microscope, those granules appeared as electron-dense vesicles, 0.5-0.6 μm in diameter, each containing a highly electron-dense spherical core, 0.2-0.3 μm in diameter. The cell had a nucleus, few mitochondria and lysosomes, however, other cellular organelles such as Golgi apparatus, rough and smooth endoplasmic reticulum were not evident, in the present observation. We assume that the electron-dense vesicles packed in the cytoplasm function to reflect light strongly. This highly reflecting structure found in C. ales is quite different from those have been reported in eyes of scallop and squid, and in iridophores of giant clam, cuttlefish, long-spined sea urchin and of fishes. The video observation showed that the mantle made a movement to roll the white band towards the shell-side and then, within a second, the rolling movement was released. The phase of the movement was different by the portions of the mantle, and the mantle edge made a wave-like motion. When the pale white band was hidden by the roll, the reflection of light disappeared. When the rolling was released, the reflection of light reappeared. Since the "roll and release movement" repeat quickly, it looks as though a streak-like flash run along the mantle margin.
 
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