Sick/Depressed Clown Trigger

DamienHanna

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I have a problem with my big clown trigger, Homer. A few weeks back he just stopped eating and spent a lot of time hiding in his cave and showed no interest in being out and about like he usually does.

I have had him for about 2 years and he's about 6 inches long. He lives in a very uncrowded 300G FOWLR (96x30x24) with a few tangs, a picasso trigger and some green chromis. He always eat like a pig and stands his ground with the more agressive tangs in the tank no problem. Definitely a boss fish, very active and unafraid of me or any of my activities in the tank.

I know that triggers sometimes just get into a funk/depression and mope about for a while so I expected him to snap out of it in a few days and get back to normal. He didn't. He didn't eat anything at all for a week so I decided to move him to my 100G refugium where I could target feed him and observe. He was pretty easy to catch and seemed very weak so I let him settle for a day and started hand feed chopped shrimp, scallops, clams and silversides. He gradually started to eat more and I was encouraged. I fed him three or four times a day and each time he took more food and seemed to grow stronger. However, he didn't move around at all and flopped down on the sand bed after taking food. I made a small rock cave for him and leave the refuge lights off (but still bright from ambient light) but he seems to spend most of his time on the bottom outside the cave lying up against the wall of the refuge. He's not breathing heavily or showing signs of distress but he totally immobile until I come along for the next feeding whereupon he struggles up to the surface, gobble some food and flops back down. This has been going on for a week and a half now and I'm not seeing much improvement.

His eyesight seems off (he misses the food a lot and gets my finger) and he seems to be having trouble maintaining attitude/postion within the water column - almost as if his swim bladder is not working. He comes up to the surface in a vertical manner and eats in this position before flopping back down onto the sand. At first I thought he was just weak from lack of food but he's not improving at all.

I'm beginng to suspect he has some kind of neurological problem or a swim bladder issue. If that is the case then I know he's pretty much doomed but would like opinions from other trigger experts or folks who might have seem similar behavior.

Water params are excellent (this system is plumbed into my reef) with solid Ph, nitrates < 5ppm and all reef minerals within spec. I change 20% of my water every month even though the quality is usually excellent. I have excellent circulation (over 10,000gph on this 300G alone) and water is well oxygenated.

At this point I need to make a decision as to whether Homer is better off going to the big aquarium in the sky or whether I should persevere and see if he improves. If he's done then I don't want to prolong his misery...

Advice appreciated.

--Damien
 
I have heard of problems like this caused by nutritional deficiencies in aggressive fish. What has he been eating since you have had it?
 
I primarily fed him a lot of fresh meaty foods. He never ate flake foods or mysis. I fed him every day and gave him shopped shrimp, scallops and fresh clams every few days. He also ate my home made combo food that contains everything listed plus flake, algae, Zoe etc.

He always ate everything and was a very healthy fish. The sudden downturn was very confusing. I did have a problem with my phosban release system recently that released ground up Phosban into the water although if that did affect him he is the only victim in my system...

I would be very skeptical that diet has been a factor; he was fed the absoluet best, freshest food you can imagine.

Thanks for the feedback...

--D
 
Poor guy. I thought it was a diet problem too. It could be a swim bladder problem. I hope some trigger expert will come along and save him.
 
Sounds to me you have a swim bladder infection. By no i means I am a trigger expert but the symptoms you are descibing sounds like it. Is your trigger still alive or has it gave signs of hope?
 
He's definitely still alive. He's living in the refuge right now and is eating reasonably well but still seems weak and uncoordinated. He also seems to be frightened of my presence and backs away when I come to feed him sometimes. This is very unusal since he was such a confident and bold fish before. He never had any fear of my or my activities in the tank and would actively follow me around when I would work on the tank. Now he seems afraid...

Like I say, he's hanging in there but I'm not seeing signs of improvement and if he's not going to get any better I would rather end it now in a humane manner...

--D
 
Let him live. Yeah he's not out of the woods but I have seen fish make some remarkable comebacks. Give him a chance.
 
DamienHanna - Are you feeding this trigger greens?

I feed my trigger greens daily along with meaty foods, you can try Nori, Fresh Frozen peas Thawed, Fresh Frozen Broccoli Thawed, even some Macro Algae.

Kaye
 
Spirulina would be good as well. O.N. has a frozen blister pack available that is great. Maybe some Selcon along with the Zoe, and a bit of garlic to boost his immune system.Good luck getting him back on track. Just a thought in another direction....there is the possibility of intestinal parasites, perhaps introduced by the food.
 
Thanks for the concern and request for follow-up.

Homer's doing OK. Not much change...still very weak but taking food. I'm not sure he has a swim bladder issue though coz today he seemed to be floating somewhat normally while locked into his "cave". He was a little more agressive going after the food today too which might indicate that he's getting a little stronger but he still looks very thin; he used to have a really nice, fat, round belly and now its all gone.

I will start to medicate the food tonight with some full spectrum anti-b's and try and get some nutrients into him too. We'll keep trying as long as he does; he's tough and I know he'll keep fighting as long as he can. I have a good track record with sick fish and have brought many specimens back from the brink but I always knew what I was up against and could fight it with that knowledge. This is bugging me because I just don't know what's up and therefore what course of action to take but I always value the learning experience regardless of the outcome...

--D
 
Jungle has an antiparasite pellet food, but they are floating pellets. Maybe that might help him. Did you add any new fish to the system recently? That may be where they came from, but I don't know enough about them.
 
I just bought something called Ultra Cure PX. Its a gel food that contains praziquantel and metrodinazole (spelling is almost definitely wrong with both of those) which may help stuff like that. I got it for my QT tank, but maybe its something you could try.

jds
 
Yes, it was :( I guess I should add an RIP to that. Something injured his side...I looked one day and he had a pretty good sized slash. He never did recover, and I have no idea what did it, unless my tang got him with his spurs. I've never seen any aggression like that however.

jds


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7654638#post7654638 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
bureau13, nice trigger.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7646368#post7646368 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bureau13
I just bought something called Ultra Cure PX. Its a gel food that contains praziquantel and metrodinazole (spelling is almost definitely wrong with both of those) which may help stuff like that. I got it for my QT tank, but maybe its something you could try.

jds
Can you tell where you got it?
 
I just ordered some from Petsolutions but I think it's too late; he's stopped eating now and just doesn't seem to have the energy for anything . If I offer the food directly to his mouth he makes an attempt to eat but he's just too weak. It's time to let him go...

Thanks to all who offered advice and support. I tried very hard to get him back but its gone too far now. The most humane thing to do at this point is to euthanize him.

--Damien
 
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