Lunchbucket
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looking good man. your understand plumbing looks CRAZY but should work out nice. just make sure you have lots of unions 
Lunchbucket
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Sinistard's 68.8 Acrylic Tank Journal [Photo Intense]
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Sinistard
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Thanks everyone. I plan to leak test the system today.
I really like the way the under tank plumbing looks, and yes there are lots of unions in the system so I can pretty much changeout or modify any line without messing with the other lines or the plumbing in the wall.
Is there anywhere to buy a fairly small piece of foam. I don't want to buy a 4x8 sheet and only use a tiny corner of it.
I was going to put one here but forgot to buy it. I decided I probably will not need one here since if I am going to replace or service the Pan World it will be off and most of the water from the return lines will have drained into the sump leaving only a tiny bit of water up to the level of the water in the sump. I would only eliminate a couple cups of water by adding a ball valve. If it turns out to be a problem it will be easy to change later.
Thanks again
I really like the way the under tank plumbing looks, and yes there are lots of unions in the system so I can pretty much changeout or modify any line without messing with the other lines or the plumbing in the wall.
Is there anywhere to buy a fairly small piece of foam. I don't want to buy a 4x8 sheet and only use a tiny corner of it.
I was going to put one here but forgot to buy it. I decided I probably will not need one here since if I am going to replace or service the Pan World it will be off and most of the water from the return lines will have drained into the sump leaving only a tiny bit of water up to the level of the water in the sump. I would only eliminate a couple cups of water by adding a ball valve. If it turns out to be a problem it will be easy to change later.
Thanks again
Sinistard
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Well I Tested the plumbing today.
I think my new plumbing on the CL is resticting flow a bit more then the old way. I took about 3 feet of 1.5" pvc out but added a 90 just above the pump. The 90 must have cut down the flow. I may switch it back I have not decided yet. It depends of how the flow looks once its set up.
On the other hand my return lines are putting out a ton more flow, almost to much. I would guess once I stick on some LocLine it will restrict it a bit plus I will be able to direct the flow more so there will not be a rush of water smashing into the front wall.
Would it be ok to turn down the outputs with ball vavles if I need to?
With the flow the way it is the water line around 3/4" from the top. I think my overflow is just big enough to handle the flow.
Well I plan to test it a bit more later, I just ran a bit of water though it during my lunch hour.
I think my new plumbing on the CL is resticting flow a bit more then the old way. I took about 3 feet of 1.5" pvc out but added a 90 just above the pump. The 90 must have cut down the flow. I may switch it back I have not decided yet. It depends of how the flow looks once its set up.
On the other hand my return lines are putting out a ton more flow, almost to much. I would guess once I stick on some LocLine it will restrict it a bit plus I will be able to direct the flow more so there will not be a rush of water smashing into the front wall.
Would it be ok to turn down the outputs with ball vavles if I need to?
With the flow the way it is the water line around 3/4" from the top. I think my overflow is just big enough to handle the flow.
Well I plan to test it a bit more later, I just ran a bit of water though it during my lunch hour.
melev
Well-known member
I doubt you'll find a small piece of foam, but you may find other things handy that you can use. Like the roll-out pad people put under their sleeping bags called Insulite. They are roughly the same price, most likely. I end up using that pink stuff for all kinds of shipping needs, and rarely is any wasted.
melev
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You can put ballvalves on your returns, but usually you only need to do that if you have too much pump. And that annoys me if I have a pump that is running around the clock and I'm not even using all of its flow. I'm paying for the electricity after all, so I try to use the right pump for the job, and save a few more pennies in the process.
Sinistard
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Thanks melev, I will probably not turn down the returns but wanted to make sure it would be ok if I did.
If I did not already have the Pan World pump I would probably have went with something a bit smaller.
I'm begining to think I should have stuck with the pan world on my closed loop instead of the dart and got a different pump for my return. With the plumbing the way it is, several 90s and smaller outputs, I think a pressure rated pump would be more ideal. Oh well live and learn, next time maybe I will get it right the first time. I dont think it will be to hard (other then the loss of some money which sucks) to change pumps out in the future if I'm not happy with something.
If I did not already have the Pan World pump I would probably have went with something a bit smaller.
I'm begining to think I should have stuck with the pan world on my closed loop instead of the dart and got a different pump for my return. With the plumbing the way it is, several 90s and smaller outputs, I think a pressure rated pump would be more ideal. Oh well live and learn, next time maybe I will get it right the first time. I dont think it will be to hard (other then the loss of some money which sucks) to change pumps out in the future if I'm not happy with something.
Sinistard
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I wish I could have had them send me like 10 pumps and then I could test drive them all and send back the ones I don't like or did not work well.
I have the system running now with fresh water in it now and I think I am happy with the flow. Using the ball valves on my closed loop I think I will be able to tweak the flow in the tank to accommodate most coral I want to keep. With the added flow from my sump return and the flow from the CL I hope it will be fine.
Due to my return pump being stronger I think I will have to add another 1" emergancy drain for my tuned overflow. If my main 1.5" drain were to clog the current 1" drain would not be able to handle the amount water being pumped back into the tank.
I really do like the tuned overflow, upstairs the only noise I here now is a bit of water splashing in my overflow box and a faint hum from the pumps that I can really only here with the TV off. I tested it with the stand pipe again to see if it would be ok as far as noise goes since the sump is in the basement and it was a ton louder so I went back to the tuned overflow.
I think I need to upgrade my skimmer now as well. I got the
AquaC Urchin back when I thought my tank was going to be 40-50 gallons and once I stuck the little thing in my sump I think it might be inadiquit for my now 70 gallon tank and 50+ gallon sump/fuge (I guess size does matter
)
I am trying to sell the urchin and am going to get a geo skimmer www.geosreef.com . He is working my up a price on a 8" recirculating skimmer and a 8" normal skimmer to match my system.
I will try to post a few more pictures of the system with water in it later.
I have the system running now with fresh water in it now and I think I am happy with the flow. Using the ball valves on my closed loop I think I will be able to tweak the flow in the tank to accommodate most coral I want to keep. With the added flow from my sump return and the flow from the CL I hope it will be fine.
Due to my return pump being stronger I think I will have to add another 1" emergancy drain for my tuned overflow. If my main 1.5" drain were to clog the current 1" drain would not be able to handle the amount water being pumped back into the tank.
I really do like the tuned overflow, upstairs the only noise I here now is a bit of water splashing in my overflow box and a faint hum from the pumps that I can really only here with the TV off. I tested it with the stand pipe again to see if it would be ok as far as noise goes since the sump is in the basement and it was a ton louder so I went back to the tuned overflow.
I think I need to upgrade my skimmer now as well. I got the
AquaC Urchin back when I thought my tank was going to be 40-50 gallons and once I stuck the little thing in my sump I think it might be inadiquit for my now 70 gallon tank and 50+ gallon sump/fuge (I guess size does matter
)I am trying to sell the urchin and am going to get a geo skimmer www.geosreef.com . He is working my up a price on a 8" recirculating skimmer and a 8" normal skimmer to match my system.
I will try to post a few more pictures of the system with water in it later.
rdmpe
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Man that's looking good! Now imagine stuffing all of that under your tank I love that big tub. Is that 100 gallons? And nice use of zip ties 
I was trying to see the 90 degree you said you had near the CL pump outlet. Doesn't show up in the pictures though I guess.
EDIT - I think I see it in a picture from a prev. post. Just after the union valve. You know, I think you can take that pump housing off and turn it 90 degrees and put it back on. Then you could probably do spaflex instead of that sharp 90 degree bend. Might help your flow a little more.
I love that big tub. Is that 100 gallons? And nice use of zip ties I was trying to see the 90 degree you said you had near the CL pump outlet. Doesn't show up in the pictures though I guess.EDIT - I think I see it in a picture from a prev. post. Just after the union valve. You know, I think you can take that pump housing off and turn it 90 degrees and put it back on. Then you could probably do spaflex instead of that sharp 90 degree bend. Might help your flow a little more.
Lunchbucket
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glad you got water running to test. bet taht was scary when you fired it up. if you are like me i would be running up to the tank and down to the basement quite a few times to make sure everything was running right
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Sinistard
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6598664#post6598664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rdmpe
Man that's looking good! Now imagine stuffing all of that under your tank
EDIT - I think I see it in a picture from a prev. post. Just after the union valve. You know, I think you can take that pump housing off and turn it 90 degrees and put it back on. Then you could probably do spaflex instead of that sharp 90 degree bend. Might help your flow a little more.
Thanks.
It is much nicer with all the space, not having to cram everything under the stand.
I was not sure if I could turn the pump housing so I just stuck it on the way I did. I may have to try that.
Yup I made sereral trips up and down the stairs. I had water in the tank testing the closed loop for a couple days do I was fairly sure the under tank plumbing was ok. I was lucky I did not have any leaks downstairs
I did make one little mistake, I had all my unions unscrewed to let the PVC glue dry and I went down to hook them back up. Somehow I forgot to hook up the closed loop unions and when I opened the valves upstairs I heard a nice waterfall downstairs
I turned it off quickly and there was only a few gallons of water on my floor.I had not really considered humidity in the basement. Do you think this will be a big problems as is?
I do run a pretty big dehumidifier in the basement during the summer. In the winter the furnace pulls all the water out of the air.
I would guess that the wood in my basement could handle a lot of humidity (but not sure about humidity from salt water), it's a very hard wood definitly not pine. I almost killed my cordless drill putting holes in it to run electric wires. As far as the basement jacks they are cheap and if I notice rusting I could replace them.
I concidered putting up stud/drywall walls around the equipment but would like to avoid this if i can. The basement is pretty small and walls would chop up the space a lot.
I could install a fan/vent in one of the windows that are down there to vent the basement.
Does anyone have any other suggestions.
Thanks
asnatlas
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I ordered both off of the net...
Panasonic VQ3 WhisperCeilingâ„¢ Fans
CAP AIR-1 Temperature & humidity control
