Snail Mortality

DeepBlueSea

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Jason,

I purchased 150 snails from you about a 7 weeks ago. I was wondering what the normal rate of mortality has been with your stock. I havn't ripped apart my reef, but I can count 37 dead snail shell laying around. I know there must be more behind/under live rock that I can't see.

Is this a normal death rate 35-50 snails in 6-7 weeks?

All parameters of tank are great. 7 Year old, established reef.

Deep Blue
 
What type of snails?

How did you acclimate them?

Do you have any hermit crabs?
 
Mosty the Margarita and Cerith. The nass's seem to be doing fine.

Snail's were shipped dry. Removed newspaper and added a couple of cups of tank water to bags. Let sit for about 15-20 minutes. Removed snails from bags and placed in tank....

No Hermits.....


They did't die immediatly. I noticed two or three never moved. I can accept that, but was surprised to find that the acutal count was exactly what I ordered. (I have ordered from other mail order and they alway's seem to add a little extra something. ) I noticed about 10 more the next week then 10 more then 10 more.... The bottom of the tank looks like a holding tank for snails....
 
Hi,

We have been getting reports of the Margarita snails not lasting too long, especially in warmer reef tanks, so if your tank is above 79, good chance that is the problem.

We shipped several snails to Dr. Ron Shimek to ID and evaluate, he just published and article about snails in Tropic fish. From the research he has done, many of these snails are collected in colder waters and do not fair too well in reef tanks and also intertidal, so they sometimes need to get out of the water for a little while.

We are working on getting our suppliers to collect snails from warmer waters and i believe sometimes they do because the shape and color of the snails vary, but there is no way we can monitor where they collect.

Dr. Shimek is also recommending a much longer acclimation period then we have been recommending. He is saying at least 4 - 6 hours and this will reduce the stress on the snails a lot. I'm not sure how to do this when they are dryshipped, will have to ask him. He also mentioned, putting the snail on the glass out of the water until they attach and then they will move down into the water on there own without stress. Would take time, but sounds like that would be a good method.

We were sad to learn that most of our aquarium available snails are not the best for reef tanks and are hoping with Dr. Shimeks article plubished that more pressure will be put on the collectors to get us more suitable snails. We have found the trochus snails are very long lived in reef tanks, many years. They are poor shippers and very sensitive to acclimation, but if you get by that step, you are in good shape.

*as to the exact count, that is our policy now. We only include the exact amount because when we use to include free ones, we would get people tell us they had doas and not believe us when we told them we gave extras. It's such a small profit area that we were losing money, not sure if we make money on them now, but had to go back to exact numbers.

jason
 
Jason, I asked Dr Ron the question about dryshipped and acclimation and he said no acclimation period was needed if snails are dryshipped.
Deepblue, I think one of the problems we can have with snails in reefs is starvation.
Steve
 
Jason,

Thanks for the reply..... I appreciate your honesty.

Regarding the temp.... I have noticed a decrease in mortality rate, since hooking up a chiller and keeping the tank at 79. Before that there were a couple of day's which the tank hit 83, possibly 84 degrees..... (I wonder if the mortality rates were increased on those days?)


Thanks,
DB
 
Hi,

I bet it was those days that did the most damage. Before we got air-conditioning in the shop, our tanks hit 82 degrees one day and it wiped out about 100 orange foot turbos, the other snails were fine, but that particular ones just melted down, so looks like they can crash pretty easily.

jason
 
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