Sockless detritus free sump

[celamb89]

I hate cleaning the socks of the sump, to the point that I prefer to clean the sump out every 3 or 4 months...

Was thinking on how to keep it simple for my nexr build and came up with a rough sketch, what would you add to it? Do you think it will work? Any other new ideas?

The point is to keep detritus out of the sump without socks and to be able to remove it easily, i.e. by turning a valve...

Or maybe having the tank overflow under the LR rubble?

 

[celamb89]

maybe it would be more effective when adding height to the cup

 

[worm5406]

Some of our sumps would most likely like the debri from the tank.

I know my MACRO-ALGAE Tang Heaven Red and Green would like it.

 

[celamb89]

yes it probably does but after a while you have to clean it... With something like the thing above you can flush whenever needed! instead of cleaning out the whole sump

 

[worm5406]

You would almost be best to make it like a centerfuge where the actual water pressure would push it to the outside edge and let the heavier stuff drift to the bottom.

Even a conical tube/vessel where each layer out it gets slower would make the debri stop in each chamber and drift down. Then you could just open the bottom and flush it out. On or off would not make a difference it would just flush it all.

 

[blueramSeattle]

You might get some information from "Vortex Grit Chamber" online.

Conical is nice but you save materials by incline in the sump so dirt collects on a side.

ie:
|.........|
|....___|
|.../
|./

If this was a pump driven I would recommend upflow so that the water is injected in the middle and must flow up through the live rock. With a gravity fed overflow any blockage or slow down in processing capabilities (think sponges growing to close gaps) could result in wet carpets.

 

[t4zalews]

I bought this recently and its amazing for cleaning the sump. Best $20 I've spent in a long time.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25e...1&keyword=shop+vac&storeId=10051#.UQrtL9WO6So

Attaches to any bucket that you have laying around.

 

[celamb89]

You would almost be best to make it like a centerfuge where the actual water pressure would push it to the outside edge and let the heavier stuff drift to the bottom.

Even a conical tube/vessel where each layer out it gets slower would make the debri stop in each chamber and drift down. Then you could just open the bottom and flush it out. On or off would not make a difference it would just flush it all.

didnt really get the pictur.. could you ellaborate?
Thanks for the input everyone!

 

[celamb89]

You might get some information from "Vortex Grit Chamber" online.

Conical is nice but you save materials by incline in the sump so dirt collects on a side.

ie:
|.........|
|....___|
|.../
|./

If this was a pump driven I would recommend upflow so that the water is injected in the middle and must flow up through the live rock. With a gravity fed overflow any blockage or slow down in processing capabilities (think sponges growing to close gaps) could result in wet carpets.

This looks great! I could inject the waterflow from the DT overflow to the bottom of the incline sump and have this overflow to the regular sump:

ie:
|..........| << detritus free water comes out to the sump
|....___|
|.../
|./ << overflow from tank comes in

 

[celamb89]

|..........| << detritus free water comes out to the sump
|....___|
|.../ << overflow from tank comes in
|./ << purge valve and det accumluation

 

[blueramSeattle]

You may enjoy some time on the "Industrial wastewater treatment" wiki article. The first step to removal is separation based on physical properties.

Grit is fairly easy as it is heavy and just falls out. I rarely see grit in my sump as grit in the display has to get all the way to the surface and through the standpipes.

I have a bigger problem with Sludge accumulating in the still sections like the cryptic zone with rock. When I remember I either stir it up so that the skimmer can take care of it or clean out the sump (I need a vacuum like posted above). Having an incline will concentrate the sludge but you still have to remove it.

Introducing the water at the bottom might work against you as you want the sludge to settle, not get stirred up again.

 

[celamb89]

You may enjoy some time on the "Industrial wastewater treatment" wiki article. The first step to removal is separation based on physical properties.

Grit is fairly easy as it is heavy and just falls out. I rarely see grit in my sump as grit in the display has to get all the way to the surface and through the standpipes.

I have a bigger problem with Sludge accumulating in the still sections like the cryptic zone with rock. When I remember I either stir it up so that the skimmer can take care of it or clean out the sump (I need a vacuum like posted above). Having an incline will concentrate the sludge but you still have to remove it.

Introducing the water at the bottom might work against you as you want the sludge to settle, not get stirred up again.

Could you point me in the right direction to the "Industrial wastewater treatment" wiki article, please..
Thanks!

 

[Kawi9_cf]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_wastewater_treatment

 

[celamb89]

Success!
Thanks for the reply, went to the link provided above and they have a design that is pretty much going to my next sump design...

 

[Saltydrip]

I'm looking to add a small 5.5gal trap like the pic you have posted above. It will hang on the side of my 29 gal sump and spill into my fuge. With it being a clean glass tank ill be able to monitor it carefully and as easy as possible. With it only bring 5.5 gal ill be able to just shut down glow remove it, syphon off the clean water and take the rest to the sink for a good cleaning. With baffles in it I can make it rimless for ease of dumping it right out.

I have a habit of over feeding and this is my plan to remove leftovers.

 

[ReefKeeper64]

You can also avoid the sock and still have a clean sump by just putting a small pump in your sump basin and leave it running all the time. The pump creates a current in the sump area that keeps the debris suspended until the skimmer catches the stuff. It's simple, inexpensive, and works wonderfully for me.

 

[worm5406]

You can also avoid the sock and still have a clean sump by just putting a small pump in your sump basin and leave it running all the time. The pump creates a current in the sump area that keeps the debris suspended until the skimmer catches the stuff. It's simple, inexpensive, and works wonderfully for me.

I am actually doing this for my new 180. It has been running in it for 2 weeks now. That section is clean.

 

[Spyderturbo007]

I bought this recently and its amazing for cleaning the sump. Best $20 I've spent in a long time.

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-25e...1&keyword=shop+vac&storeId=10051#.UQrtL9WO6So

Attaches to any bucket that you have laying around.

This is just what I need! :celeb2:

I am so buying one of these after work. I have all this crap that accumulates in my sump even though I use filter socks and it drives me crazy. I tried those stupid water change things that attach to your faucet, but it didn't work because of the height difference and the distance from my tank to my sink.

I have a wet dry vac, but it's been through the ringer, is all dirty and a pain to drag upstairs.

 

[serpent]

You can also avoid the sock and still have a clean sump by just putting a small pump in your sump basin and leave it running all the time. The pump creates a current in the sump area that keeps the debris suspended until the skimmer catches the stuff. It's simple, inexpensive, and works wonderfully for me.

Agreed. This is the simplest way.

 

[celamb89]

it might be simple, but sometimes I feel every solution for the tank involves a plug to the 110AC when something like the trap above would solve the problem just as good