Some new fish...
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Yeah, to be honest I already was thinking before I made the order that I would probably not be able to keep the majestic in my DT. I'm going to try it and see how it works out, but I'm 100% ready to turn him over to a local friend who would like to have it in his tank. That's the only reason I went ahead and made the order, I feel if it doesnt fit in with my mix of fish, it will have a good home to go to.
I cant believe how freaking cool looking the blue face is. I've seen plenty of pictures of them, I mean you see them in lots of tanks, but I've never seen one in real life. It's an amazing looking fish, just insanely cool. I'm really glad I went ahead and got it, what a neat fish.
I was a little worried due to the fact that it came in pretty "crappy" water, so to speak, but I think it's going to be totally fine.
I cant believe how freaking cool looking the blue face is. I've seen plenty of pictures of them, I mean you see them in lots of tanks, but I've never seen one in real life. It's an amazing looking fish, just insanely cool. I'm really glad I went ahead and got it, what a neat fish.
I was a little worried due to the fact that it came in pretty "crappy" water, so to speak, but I think it's going to be totally fine.
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Just some pictures of the fish now that they've been in quarantine 24 hours and have settled down. The blue face and the majestic are still a little skittish and hide when I walk in the room, but as soon as food hits the water they come out and eat, even with me standing there. I'm not making any fast movements or anything, but they arent REALLY afraid of me, just cautious.
They dont like cameras though, hard to get a shot
Not a spot of ich or any other visible problems on any of the fish yet, so that is really nice for a change, it's cool to be able to just see the fish and enjoy it for a little while and not have to start just treating immediately.
They dont like cameras though, hard to get a shot
Not a spot of ich or any other visible problems on any of the fish yet, so that is really nice for a change, it's cool to be able to just see the fish and enjoy it for a little while and not have to start just treating immediately.
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Well, everyone else was jealous that I wasnt taking pictures of them, so I snapped a couple shots of the old favorites
I thought this one was cool, no flash and the light is coming in from behind him, so it really lights him up well and shows off the orange.
Here you can see the size difference between the achilles and dussumieri...
And then just the achilles...
And this is the shot I really like...
I thought this one was cool, no flash and the light is coming in from behind him, so it really lights him up well and shows off the orange.
Here you can see the size difference between the achilles and dussumieri...
And then just the achilles...
And this is the shot I really like...
DamnPepShrimp
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Loving the second to last pic, great shot of the Achilles. That duss dwarfs him! I'm really considering adding an emperor, either a cxi or a new Caledonian, just can't find them anywhere. I have a feeling the emperor will have to be put in time out when you add the new angels over.
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Yeah, didnt that one turn out good? He is super hard to get a good shot of, that fish NEVER STOPS MOVING EVER. More active than any tang I've owned yet. I thought my sohal was a swimmer but the achilles is even more mobile.
The new caledonian emps are cool looking and you get the top streamer then too, I would have been just as happy with one from there as from christmas island.
Yes, I'm on the fence about the emperor and the new angels. For one, the emperor is at least 2" bigger than the blue face and 3" bigger than the majestic, so maybe there shouldnt even be a question over who is the boss of the tank. I'm hoping after a little initial posturing and what not, things will just settle in since obviously neither of those two fish are going to give the emperor a run for his money.
I'm going to have these two angels treated for ich and flukes/IPs and FAT before placing them in the DT, so even if they do get pushed around for a day or two and have to hide in the rocks, they should be able to come out of it just fine once things settle down. I also think adding 2 fish in at once should help. I think I'm going to add the butterfly and the blue face in on the same day, and if it goes well, I'll add the majestic shortly afterwards, within the next day or two.
And hey, if I have to, I'll catch the emperor (man, I can hear the irritated grunts now) and place him in the sump for a day or two or a week, depending on what is needed, until the other fish get a little settled in.
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Let them grunt it out. I thought I had to net and move an emp once and the chase to net it and the relocation to the garage tank killed it. You've got plenty of rock and the emp is clearly bigger. And 2 at once is better than one. Give it some time to clear up. It isn't like with a trigger and teeth and one fish trying to leap out of the tank to avoid the teeth. Big difference.
My bet is the 2 new ones will fight with one another....but again, time will tell.
My bet is the 2 new ones will fight with one another....but again, time will tell.
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Yeah, I would be happy with either a cxi or new Cal, just don't want the typical run of the mill emperor that everyone and their brother has (no offense to anyone). I just like different fish. I am also leaning towards a bluering angel, but we'll see. Seems like you have a good plan, just up to your emp now haha. It seems like it should work out alright, since he took the scribbled in without too much harm. The new angels being smaller will help, since they aren't a threat. I agree with Dan and see them possibly fighting instead.
Dan, triggers can get aggressive I am sure, but angels have teeth too! I know not nearly as big but my passer grabbed a niger trigger by the tail once and threw him around the tank, ripped off part of the poor triggers streamer. I know my passer is more aggressive than Recty's emp, but emps are no pushovers. Letting them grunt it out is fine, but it can get a lot worse than that! Good to see Recty has a back up plan though, all should work out then, be interesting to see.
Dan, triggers can get aggressive I am sure, but angels have teeth too! I know not nearly as big but my passer grabbed a niger trigger by the tail once and threw him around the tank, ripped off part of the poor triggers streamer. I know my passer is more aggressive than Recty's emp, but emps are no pushovers. Letting them grunt it out is fine, but it can get a lot worse than that! Good to see Recty has a back up plan though, all should work out then, be interesting to see.
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It will definitely be interesting to see And yeah, I agree totally, I'm not going to move the emperor unless I absolutely have to. I hope the size difference goes a long way towards keeping the fish from fighting too much.
I'm going back and forth with my plans for copper.
I've got two plans so far and I'm not sure which to pick between.
1) Let the fish sit in QT for a month and just calm down, get fat, de-stressify themselves. About 2 weeks before planning to put them into the DT, I'd raise the salinity back up to 1.025. Probably not quite long enough to kill off the ich I've been treating with hypo, but it will be 7 weeks and like 2 days total... some people just recommend using hypo for 6 weeks to treat ich, so maybe it would be enough. Regardless, then I'll treat the entire tank and the new fish I've just put in with copper, sure fire ich nuke. At that point, I should have a ich free display. My rock has no live inverts left on it, just a couple hermit crabs and I can remove those to my QT tanks for the month or so I'll be treating.
2) Treat the 2 angels and butterfly with copper in the QT tanks, regardless if they show ich or not. Continue treating the main tank with hypo for a total of 10 weeks. This would hopefully result in a ich free display, although I'm not sure. To be 100% sure, I'd probably still treat the main tank with copper once hypo was over, then I'd bring the new fish over into it. This would have the same effect as plan #1, but take longer. However, it might be less stressful on the fish. It would mean that the other angels sit in QT for almost 2 months too, which is a long time for them to be stuck in a 29g tank.
Anyone have any thoughts on these?
By the way, both angels are eating Angel formula, so that is good, and all 3 fish are eating mysis. I havent tried nori yet but that is just because I havent wanted to stick my hand in their tanks and scare them with the algae clip, probably this weekend I'll give nori a shot.
The blue face also ate 10-15 of the 3mm NLS pellets last night, the majestic tried one then spit it out, but I'm working on him
And yeah, I agree totally, I'm not going to move the emperor unless I absolutely have to. I hope the size difference goes a long way towards keeping the fish from fighting too much.I'm going back and forth with my plans for copper.
I've got two plans so far and I'm not sure which to pick between.
1) Let the fish sit in QT for a month and just calm down, get fat, de-stressify themselves. About 2 weeks before planning to put them into the DT, I'd raise the salinity back up to 1.025. Probably not quite long enough to kill off the ich I've been treating with hypo, but it will be 7 weeks and like 2 days total... some people just recommend using hypo for 6 weeks to treat ich, so maybe it would be enough. Regardless, then I'll treat the entire tank and the new fish I've just put in with copper, sure fire ich nuke. At that point, I should have a ich free display. My rock has no live inverts left on it, just a couple hermit crabs and I can remove those to my QT tanks for the month or so I'll be treating.
2) Treat the 2 angels and butterfly with copper in the QT tanks, regardless if they show ich or not. Continue treating the main tank with hypo for a total of 10 weeks. This would hopefully result in a ich free display, although I'm not sure. To be 100% sure, I'd probably still treat the main tank with copper once hypo was over, then I'd bring the new fish over into it. This would have the same effect as plan #1, but take longer. However, it might be less stressful on the fish. It would mean that the other angels sit in QT for almost 2 months too, which is a long time for them to be stuck in a 29g tank.
Anyone have any thoughts on these?
By the way, both angels are eating Angel formula, so that is good, and all 3 fish are eating mysis. I havent tried nori yet but that is just because I havent wanted to stick my hand in their tanks and scare them with the algae clip, probably this weekend I'll give nori a shot.
The blue face also ate 10-15 of the 3mm NLS pellets last night, the majestic tried one then spit it out, but I'm working on him
I wouldn't move the inverts out and then back in. Hermits have made it through copper treatment in my tanks. You'd hate to have them carry ich out and then bring it back in somehow.
Talking about spg, just checked my school tank, 1.036!!! No wonder they haven't been swimming around much.
Talking about spg, just checked my school tank, 1.036!!! No wonder they haven't been swimming around much.
Yeah, I could raise brine! Yeah, it was the pbt, indian trig and blue jaw. PBT's are tough fish, mean-yes, get ich-yes, but tough fish.
Um, I had about 200 lbs in that 135, and pulled out enough to fill a 32 gallon brute and a bunch for a 10 gallon. I left in I'd say about 70-80 lbs.
Then to remove the copper I used carbon and changed once a week and a polyfilter pad that absorbs copper and turns blue and did one of those massive water changes where you take it down to like 30 gallons left, just enough to cover the fish, then add about 30 back, then pump 30 out, repeat that, then fill. That takes the copper out pretty quick. 2 months later I moved all of the rock and the anemone into the new tank and haven't had an issue with copper killing anything.
Um, I had about 200 lbs in that 135, and pulled out enough to fill a 32 gallon brute and a bunch for a 10 gallon. I left in I'd say about 70-80 lbs.
Then to remove the copper I used carbon and changed once a week and a polyfilter pad that absorbs copper and turns blue and did one of those massive water changes where you take it down to like 30 gallons left, just enough to cover the fish, then add about 30 back, then pump 30 out, repeat that, then fill. That takes the copper out pretty quick. 2 months later I moved all of the rock and the anemone into the new tank and haven't had an issue with copper killing anything.
DamnPepShrimp
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Is an ich free tank your ultimate goal? I really don't think its possible, but could be wrong. To me, a little bit of ich is nothing to lose sleep over. If you have healthy fish, they will fight it off no problem. Personally, I'd be worried about coppering your whole tank and having some die off, thus making the water quality suffer and your fish potentially dying. If you are going to treat the display and want an ich free tank, then you need to take all your inverts in the 210g and your 4 new shrimp and put them in QT for a minimum of 12 weeks. I have heard of stories about leaving a display fallow for 12 weeks and ich still survived. Apparently there are two different types of strands of ich, one that can go without a host for about 6-8 weeks, the other about 12 weeks.
So if you think coppering your display will be ok. I would wait until the fish in QT have recovered, eating well and doing 100%. Give them a few weeks like you said. If they seem fine, no disease or any problems, then add them to the display. Wait until all the battling settles down, maybe a couple of weeks and then start treating with cupramine and prazipro. At this time or better before, I would put all inverts, hermits, snails, shrimp, anything that won't make the copper treatment into a QT tank. Also, if you plan on getting more inverts, replenish your CUC, now is the time. Keep them in QT by themselves with no hosts for ich for at least 12 weeks. Then you can treat the display for 4-6 weeks, and when the inverts are ready, add them back in.
That seems like a lot, but to me, that is the best and only way I see you having an ich free and healthy system. The only thing I don't like it coppering the display, but if you do, use cupramine. Make sure to keep the inverts fallow from ich hosts for 12 weeks, its extreme, but having an ich free tank is no easy task.
So if you think coppering your display will be ok. I would wait until the fish in QT have recovered, eating well and doing 100%. Give them a few weeks like you said. If they seem fine, no disease or any problems, then add them to the display. Wait until all the battling settles down, maybe a couple of weeks and then start treating with cupramine and prazipro. At this time or better before, I would put all inverts, hermits, snails, shrimp, anything that won't make the copper treatment into a QT tank. Also, if you plan on getting more inverts, replenish your CUC, now is the time. Keep them in QT by themselves with no hosts for ich for at least 12 weeks. Then you can treat the display for 4-6 weeks, and when the inverts are ready, add them back in.
That seems like a lot, but to me, that is the best and only way I see you having an ich free and healthy system. The only thing I don't like it coppering the display, but if you do, use cupramine. Make sure to keep the inverts fallow from ich hosts for 12 weeks, its extreme, but having an ich free tank is no easy task.
There isn't anything to die off though. I have copper in the tank behind me and there is still green hair algae in there 1 week later. Water quality will go down some because you can't use carbon or a fuge, but other than that, fish can deal with some lower than perfect water. I've got tanks full of them!
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