Some new fish...

[fender4string]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15019926#post15019926 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Recty
I dont have any inverts to worry about, but I appreciate the warning. I've hypo'd these rocks twice now, killing off pretty much all life but bacteria. I'm not worried about the copper killing off anything but some bacteria.

I've been treating my tank with hypo for ich as well. The treatment went for 8 weeks (I finally started raising the salinity on Thursday...glad that's over). Anyway, to get to the point, there were a few hermit crabs that I couldn't catch when I lowered the salinity. They are still alive, believe it or not. I was expecting all of my inverts to die from all the advice that I got from RC. My salinity was at 1.009-1.010 the whole time as measured by a properly calibrated refractometer.

I just thought that since some inverts survived my hypo treatment, there could still be some alive in your tank too. Just worried about possible die off affecting your fishies .


Is that the majestic that was on DD? I'm a fan and am glad to hear it's eating well, as are the other guys. That butterfly is really cool too.

 

[Recty]

I recently read up on copper again on wet web media, they state that low levels of copper can be therapeutic, but not recommended. So it probably does have some effect on keeping disease down, but not tons.

Personally, I dont plan on running copper all the time in my water, just enough to get the ich nuked out of the main tank and then I'll drop in lots of carbon and do a big water change.

 

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15031477#post15031477 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fender4string
I just thought that since some inverts survived my hypo treatment, there could still be some alive in your tank too. Just worried about possible die off affecting your fishies .


Is that the majestic that was on DD? I'm a fan and am glad to hear it's eating well, as are the other guys. That butterfly is really cool too.

Yep, I've got 5 or 6 hermit crabs alive in my tank that have survived one round of hypo half a year ago and are currently surviving this one. I'm not sure finding them all and catching them all is feasible. These are the smart ones that survived with 5 triggers They dont come out very often, if ever.

Yep, that was the DD majestic, I ended up just turning the refund from the scribbled into more fish from them, the majestic filled out the order

 

[cthetoy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15031316#post15031316 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Yes, copper and hypo are very bad

I asked Seachem (Cupramine) about using hypo and Cupramine. Here is there response

"Cupramine can still be run at 0.5ppm even at a lower salinity. Keep in mind, Cupramine's window of effectiveness is quite large and goes as low as 0.3ppm so if you would like to run it a 0.4ppm or so as a prophylactic treatment, this would be completely acceptable. Copper does become more toxic at lower pH levels, however, the way Cupramine is bound minimizes this effect. So, in essence, pH and alkalinity do not really affect the treatment of Cupramine. Controlling pH and alkalinity are always going to be important in order to maintain the stability of the system. A more stable environment will help keep the fish healthier throughout the treatment period."
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1521803

On another thread Cupramine said to dose Cupramine on the lower end of the scale if you are going to use Cupramine with hypo and to watch your pH.

I had to use Cupramine with hypo once because I had a Velvet outbreak during hypo in my quarantine tank

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Cupramine IMO is just the best all around copper treatment, period. It is by far the safest! Doesn't hypo lower the pH? So you really have to keep on top of that. Maybe once I am all done stocking my tank I will treat the display with cupramine and another dose of prazipro just to be sure.

 

[Recty]

Well that is good to know. I'd really like to go ahead and treat my main tank with copper now and treat my two quarantine tanks, then begin to raise my salinity in the DT.

However, I might just raise it now anyway and once it hits 1.025, start treating.

For what it's worth, DPS, my pH isnt varying at all with hypo, it did not the last time I did it either. I've got an electronic pH meter that continuously monitors it. I do mix in a 1/4 cup of baking soda when I do my ~25g water changes though, that probably helps.

My pH has been pretty steady right at 8.3 during the night and 8.4 during the day for 4 weeks now.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Thats good, glad your pH isn't swinging. I add a buffer to all my water that's added to the tank. I would start to raise the SG and start the copper treatment. There is no point in doing hypo if your going to copper. Keep us updated on how it goes, I am really leaning towards doing this soon.

 

[billsreef]

Keep the alk up during hypo, and the pH will be high enough that copper can be used if you really feel the need to use both treatments at the same time. As for chronic low levels of copper, either you have a high enough concentration to kill things like cyrpt and amyloodinium, or you don't have enough to be doing anything other than fooling yourself

 

[Zoom]

I still remeber my FOWLR tanks full of fish never quarantine any of the fish.
I still say i will do the same system today if i ever go FOWLR tank it was so easy to treat the tank i had good size wet dry filter and good amount of live rock .
If any of the fish was showing any parasites or i need to medicate with antibiotics it was so easy to just pull the live rock out and treat the tank and after three months i was pouting the LR back to the tank .
Most of the problem i had when i use quarantine was when i transfer the fish in the main tank it will get stressed out and come down with something .
I will not treat a fish if you don't have to .
I keep reef like parameters in my FOWLR tank and i had very minimum problems.
I always dose the tank with ALK and some calcium in daily basics.
Good luck to all, I'm so glad your wife is ok Recty thanks God she was driving a big truck.

 

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15033271#post15033271 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Thats good, glad your pH isn't swinging. I add a buffer to all my water that's added to the tank. I would start to raise the SG and start the copper treatment. There is no point in doing hypo if your going to copper. Keep us updated on how it goes, I am really leaning towards doing this soon.

I dont think I'm going to start copper treatment yet, just because that isnt easy on a fish and I doubt raising salinity is exactly great on them either. I figure I'll do one stressful thing at a time with hopefully a small break between...

If worse comes to worst and the fish are showing ich badly as I raise the salinity, then I'll go ahead and copper. It will be hard to treat copper as I raise the salinity as I have to keep removing water and mixing in very salty water, so I'd have to be dosing quite a bit of copper to make up for all that I remove with water changes.

Last time I raised my salinity I made my auto top off water about 1.05 and just as water evaporated and was replaced by the auto top off, my main tank got gradually saltier. However, that took about 30 days to raise from 1.009 to 1.025, and I dont think I want to take that long this time through.

 

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15033391#post15033391 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
Keep the alk up during hypo, and the pH will be high enough that copper can be used if you really feel the need to use both treatments at the same time. As for chronic low levels of copper, either you have a high enough concentration to kill things like cyrpt and amyloodinium, or you don't have enough to be doing anything other than fooling yourself

I'm going to try to avoid using both treatments at the same time, I should be fine with raising salinity and then treating with copper. Time will tell, though.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15033391#post15033391 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by billsreef
As for chronic low levels of copper, either you have a high enough concentration to kill things like cyrpt and amyloodinium, or you don't have enough to be doing anything other than fooling yourself

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15033457#post15033457 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zoom
I still remeber my FOWLR tanks full of fish never quarantine any of the fish.
I still say i will do the same system today if i ever go FOWLR tank it was so easy to treat the tank i had good size wet dry filter and good amount of live rock .
If any of the fish was showing any parasites or i need to medicate with antibiotics it was so easy to just pull the live rock out and treat the tank and after three months i was pouting the LR back to the tank .
Most of the problem i had when i use quarantine was when i transfer the fish in the main tank it will get stressed out and come down with something .
I will not treat a fish if you don't have to .
I keep reef like parameters in my FOWLR tank and i had very minimum problems.
I always dose the tank with ALK and some calcium in daily basics.
Good luck to all, I'm so glad your wife is ok Recty thanks God she was driving a big truck.

I do like FOWLR for being able to treat in the main tank later on down the road, but I'm still going to quarantine all fish at purchase, it makes it not be near as big of a headache.

My wife is actually still pretty beat up, she got worse over the course of a week. She is walking and everything but her back is messed up and she has pretty bad muscle spasms. But like you said, good thing she was in my truck, otherwise she would probably be in a lot worse condition!

 

[danorth]

That sucks man. Tell her the fish peeps are routing for her!

 

[Recty]

I already had her read this thread when everyone said they hoped she was feeling better it made her feel good, although then she thought it was kind of weird a bunch of people she didnt even know were giving her well wishes.

But I'll pass it on I think she is going to make a full recovery, just it is a slow process. The funny thing is she is young (22) and in great shape, yet she is still beat to crap. I cant imagine how an older, out of shape person would have been afterwards.

 

[LisaD]

My husband calls you guys my imaginary friends.

Your wife is very very lucky. Just think, if she hadn't been wearing a seat belt..., if she hadn't been driving a truck..., if she hadn't been in good health..., etc.

I was in a very serious accident when I was 17 - hit by a car when I was riding a moped without a helmet. I'm very thankful I'm still here and not scarred or disabled.

 

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15034866#post15034866 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LisaD
My husband calls you guys my imaginary friends.

Your wife is very very lucky. Just think, if she hadn't been wearing a seat belt..., if she hadn't been driving a truck..., if she hadn't been in good health..., etc.

I was in a very serious accident when I was 17 - hit by a car when I was riding a moped without a helmet. I'm very thankful I'm still here and not scarred or disabled.

Yeah, all in all, she is coming out of it very well.

I used to ride motorcycles. We had a saying, there were 2 types of motorcycle riders, those who had crashed and those who were going to crash. Luckily, I got out of it before I ever joined the second group. I shipped my CBR929 from Alaska to Hawaii and rode around there for 3 months straight with nothing on but my board shorts and sometimes sandals I consider myself very lucky to have never gotten so much as a scratch.

I'll try that term on my wife, tonight when I get home I'll tell her that her imaginary friends hope she is feeling better

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

I fit into both catergories. I've been down and I am still going down but I ride differently then most people. I usually fell everytime I went out, but it was in a parking lot trying to do 5mph circle wheelies haha. My motto is speed kills, stunts just hurt. Hey Recty, how old are you? 22 is pretty young, I am 23 and very far off from being married, just couldn't imagine having a wife right now, but that is just me.

 

[Recty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15035719#post15035719 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
I fit into both catergories. I've been down and I am still going down but I ride differently then most people. I usually fell everytime I went out, but it was in a parking lot trying to do 5mph circle wheelies haha. My motto is speed kills, stunts just hurt. Hey Recty, how old are you? 22 is pretty young, I am 23 and very far off from being married, just couldn't imagine having a wife right now, but that is just me.

I just turned 29, only one year left until I'm middle aged!

Kris and I are 6 years apart, I robbed the craddle, apparently.

As far as age goes and being married, it just depends on where you are at in your life as to when you're ready or not. A lot of people arent ready by 23, it's widely open to debate (mainly with my mother in law) if my wife was ready or not but oh well, that's a risk we took

I used to do stunts on my CBR as well, but I never got into the circle wheelies, I just did regular wheelies and stoppies. And then the other regular stuff like standing on the seat

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

My girlfriend and I are pretty far apart as well, but the older you get, the less of the gap it is. If you two are happy and ready, then why not, I don't think its open to debate since its not their marriage. Yeah I'm not the greatest stunter, hence going down, circle wheelies are a lot harder than they seem, haha. I haven't done it in over a year, had to sell my 636, but looking to get another one asap. Considering selling my fish stuff to get a stunted out one.

So back on topic, are you starting to raise the SG yet? When do you plan on coppering the 210g and QT? I am really interested with this and will be following closely. I'd like to try and copper my display, but just fear of die off, plus you can't run a skimmer.