Some new fish...
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Recty
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Well copper isnt exactly friendly to the fish... it kills them if you go much over the recommended dose. It's been likened to chemotherapy for humans... it isn't pleasant but dying from cancer isnt either, so you're willing to put yourself through the therapy.
I think the emperor just doesnt like the copper, he just seems more sensitive to it than other fish.
I had ammonia problems before when I treated and all my fish stopped eating. Right now they eat like pigs the little bit that I do feed, all except the emperor, so I dont think it's ammonia. Plus when I had the ammonia spike last time my water got cloudy and right now it's nice and clear still.
I'm actually out of ammonia test kits or I'd do one now just to check, but I really dont think it's that. I think the drop in pH is probably not very good on anyone either, I started buffering it tonight but the stuff takes 24 hours to fully take effect, so I've got to dose it in slowly, I dont want to cause a huge jump, but I expect when I get my pH back up higher than 8.1 the emperor will start feeling better.
I think the emperor just doesnt like the copper, he just seems more sensitive to it than other fish.
I had ammonia problems before when I treated and all my fish stopped eating. Right now they eat like pigs the little bit that I do feed, all except the emperor, so I dont think it's ammonia. Plus when I had the ammonia spike last time my water got cloudy and right now it's nice and clear still.
I'm actually out of ammonia test kits or I'd do one now just to check, but I really dont think it's that. I think the drop in pH is probably not very good on anyone either, I started buffering it tonight but the stuff takes 24 hours to fully take effect, so I've got to dose it in slowly, I dont want to cause a huge jump, but I expect when I get my pH back up higher than 8.1 the emperor will start feeling better.
Recty
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Something kind of weird going on... I've seen a couple long white stringy things floating through the water now, like a fish must be pooping out worms. I Prazipro'd the tank almost 2 weeks ago now and it should be out of the system for over a week. Does copper kill some internal parasites? Or is maybe a fish still just pooping out the ones that the prazipro took a while to kill off?
I've never seen it before, this is twice in a day I've seen the inch or so long white strings going through the water. I cant tell which fish it is coming from.
I'm not feeding anything except pellets and nori right now either, so I know it isnt just poorly digested shrimp or something like that.
I've never seen it before, this is twice in a day I've seen the inch or so long white strings going through the water. I cant tell which fish it is coming from.
I'm not feeding anything except pellets and nori right now either, so I know it isnt just poorly digested shrimp or something like that.
ccampbell57
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Definitely worms. Prazi the tank again. I always do 2 rounds of prazi especially with your bio-load
barbianj
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Almost sounds what happened to my fish. I had originally done one treatment of Prazi, (I usually do two), then switched to Cupramine when I realized that I was dealing with ich. That's when the worm episode came about.
My fish that had the worms took the copper real hard, but they made it and are better off now.
My fish that had the worms took the copper real hard, but they made it and are better off now.
Recty
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Yeah, I ordered some Prazi last week because this last dose I did ran me out, but I did it the slow route to Alaska which takes 2 weeks, so I probably still wont see it for another 4-5 days.
About the time I get it I'll have 5 days of copper treatment left, so I'll dose again the prazi while the skimmer has to be off anyway, then after the 5 days I'll start the skimmer back up and this time I'm using cuprisorb to remove the copper.
The emperor is doing MUCH better today. No more splotches. It's only been about a day and a half of pH adjuster being put in, it's only sitting right around 8.0 but still he looks much better. It almost makes me think pH wasnt the problem but I have this gut feeling that was at least part of the issue. I'm surprised how much of the pH adjusting stuff I have to put in, my kh must have been pretty low. I've put about 12 teaspoons in total and it's only raised from 7.85 or so up to about 8.0, but I imagine after settling in it will probably be around 8.05 tomorrow morning, so I'll do one more dose and hopefully end up between 8.1 and 8.2.
The emperor isnt eating yet but he is swimming around and looking much much better, so that's great.
About the time I get it I'll have 5 days of copper treatment left, so I'll dose again the prazi while the skimmer has to be off anyway, then after the 5 days I'll start the skimmer back up and this time I'm using cuprisorb to remove the copper.
The emperor is doing MUCH better today. No more splotches. It's only been about a day and a half of pH adjuster being put in, it's only sitting right around 8.0 but still he looks much better. It almost makes me think pH wasnt the problem but I have this gut feeling that was at least part of the issue. I'm surprised how much of the pH adjusting stuff I have to put in, my kh must have been pretty low. I've put about 12 teaspoons in total and it's only raised from 7.85 or so up to about 8.0, but I imagine after settling in it will probably be around 8.05 tomorrow morning, so I'll do one more dose and hopefully end up between 8.1 and 8.2.
The emperor isnt eating yet but he is swimming around and looking much much better, so that's great.
Recty
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I dont know exactly, I dont feel like going over and getting the bottle 
But it's a little container of powder made by Kent Marine that adjusts pH and KH. Supposed to put in a teaspon for every 20 gallons to slowly raise it to 8.2 - 8.3 pH. I've put in about 12 teaspoons so far because I dont want to make the pH raise real quick, but I'll eventually get it up to 8.2 over the next few days.
But it's a little container of powder made by Kent Marine that adjusts pH and KH. Supposed to put in a teaspon for every 20 gallons to slowly raise it to 8.2 - 8.3 pH. I've put in about 12 teaspoons so far because I dont want to make the pH raise real quick, but I'll eventually get it up to 8.2 over the next few days.
Recty
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Thanks! Always good to see new faces on RC.
The emperor is looking great today, real healthy again. It's nice to see he isnt developing HLLE so far either and the last time I treated with copper he had HLLE big time by this many days into the treatment.
I borrowed a fish trap from a local store and am commencing trying to catch 2 or 3 of my convicts out. They are just too active, too aggressive of eaters and always too much bickering for me to want to keep them. They are keeping my more skittish fish like the blue face and the majestic from eating very much. They arent mean about it, they dont chase the other fish away or anything, they are just so pushy when feeding that the other fish cant get in there to eat too unless they are really push.
Even the big dussu is having a hard time getting to food when the convicts are really hungry, they arent scared of him at all.
The emperor is looking great today, real healthy again. It's nice to see he isnt developing HLLE so far either and the last time I treated with copper he had HLLE big time by this many days into the treatment.
I borrowed a fish trap from a local store and am commencing trying to catch 2 or 3 of my convicts out. They are just too active, too aggressive of eaters and always too much bickering for me to want to keep them. They are keeping my more skittish fish like the blue face and the majestic from eating very much. They arent mean about it, they dont chase the other fish away or anything, they are just so pushy when feeding that the other fish cant get in there to eat too unless they are really push.
Even the big dussu is having a hard time getting to food when the convicts are really hungry, they arent scared of him at all.
LukFox
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15458321#post15458321 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Recty
I dont know exactly, I dont feel like going over and getting the bottle
Thanks, that should be descriptive enough
! I will look for it today probably.
rachenbrazil
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wow... so long... so many changes from trigger to angels...
your angels looks so fantastic ... maybe you just need the DD blue line to close the heaven's gate...
your angels looks so fantastic ... maybe you just need the DD blue line to close the heaven's gate...
Recty
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Believe me, if I didnt have ich in my tank right now, I'd probably have already bought the blue line, I've been eyeing it.
The other problem is that I dont think it would mix with my emperor, they are about the same size, same shape, same striping, I think there might be fights there and I expect the emperor would be the winner.
Thanks for the nice words btw
So my fish trap worked... I came home from work for lunch and saw the little piece of LR I attached nori to and had placed in the trap, it was sitting outside the trap with all the nori gone. There is no current inside the trap, so I knew something went in and pulled it out.
I rebaited it just 10 minutes ago while the fish are starving and within 2 minutes a convict was in there chowing down. So now he's down in my sump and I hope I can get another one before I have to go to work in 10 minutes.
Man, if the emperor could grunt open plexiglass, that little fish trap would be in pieces all over the floor. He is lined right up with the nori through the plexi and trying to get to it, kind of comical really.
The other problem is that I dont think it would mix with my emperor, they are about the same size, same shape, same striping, I think there might be fights there and I expect the emperor would be the winner.
Thanks for the nice words btw
So my fish trap worked... I came home from work for lunch and saw the little piece of LR I attached nori to and had placed in the trap, it was sitting outside the trap with all the nori gone. There is no current inside the trap, so I knew something went in and pulled it out.
I rebaited it just 10 minutes ago while the fish are starving and within 2 minutes a convict was in there chowing down. So now he's down in my sump and I hope I can get another one before I have to go to work in 10 minutes.
Man, if the emperor could grunt open plexiglass, that little fish trap would be in pieces all over the floor. He is lined right up with the nori through the plexi and trying to get to it, kind of comical really.
Recty
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No problem. Seachem also makes one that does the same thing but I think it's cheaper and it says it works on like 1600 gallons whereas the one I got from Kent says it works on 500 gallons, so you might try out the Seachem one instead. Both are basically the same thing.<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15464642#post15464642 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LukFox
Thanks, that should be descriptive enough
Recty
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I'm still not 100% convinced it's worms although I dont know what else it could be... they arent like a solid white lines, kind of more like little white blobs connected by real thin clearish tissue.
The other thing I forgot about is I used a small piece of shrimp to bait out my shrimp into the net before my copper use and the shrimp ended up floating around the tank and being eaten by the fish, I just wonder if maybe it's just poorly digested shrimp which can be pretty stringy and tough?
Anyway, it's probably worms and I dont exactly have experience in judging what a internal parasite is supposed to look like.
The other thing I forgot about is I used a small piece of shrimp to bait out my shrimp into the net before my copper use and the shrimp ended up floating around the tank and being eaten by the fish, I just wonder if maybe it's just poorly digested shrimp which can be pretty stringy and tough?
Anyway, it's probably worms and I dont exactly have experience in judging what a internal parasite is supposed to look like.
Recty
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Hah, guess what I came home to? Excuse the crap picture, this was taken with my iPhone
What a dummy.
I dumped him back out (which was stressful for us both btw) and then within 2 minutes I caught both of the convict tangs, so right now I have 3 down in the sump and one in the main tank, I'll be dropping those off at the LFS tonight!
What a dummy.
I dumped him back out (which was stressful for us both btw) and then within 2 minutes I caught both of the convict tangs, so right now I have 3 down in the sump and one in the main tank, I'll be dropping those off at the LFS tonight!
Recty
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It's been a good day I caught 3 of my convicts and my emperor started really showing interest in food again. He just ate nori and pellets for the first time in 9 days, it was good to see.
Even just having the convicts out of the tank for a couple hours I can tell a difference in the fish. The flames are out a lot more but that is kind of weird since the convicts never bugged anyone else that I saw, but yeah the flames are a lot more group seeming now, they swim around together a lot more, maybe it's just that there is less fish in the tank so there is more room to swim, who knows. It didnt feel cramped before because most of the fish were small, but maybe the flames felt cramped.
It was nice feeding a half sheet of nori and not seeing the convicts gobble it all down while everyone else stares hungrily at it
The convicts are swimming around in a 600 gallon reef tank right now, I'm not sure they know what to think, but they look really good in there.
I caught 3 of my convicts and my emperor started really showing interest in food again. He just ate nori and pellets for the first time in 9 days, it was good to see.Even just having the convicts out of the tank for a couple hours I can tell a difference in the fish. The flames are out a lot more but that is kind of weird since the convicts never bugged anyone else that I saw, but yeah the flames are a lot more group seeming now, they swim around together a lot more, maybe it's just that there is less fish in the tank so there is more room to swim, who knows. It didnt feel cramped before because most of the fish were small, but maybe the flames felt cramped.
It was nice feeding a half sheet of nori and not seeing the convicts gobble it all down while everyone else stares hungrily at it
The convicts are swimming around in a 600 gallon reef tank right now, I'm not sure they know what to think, but they look really good in there.
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