Sonny's Rimless Shallow Reef.

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Thanks New Salt! I'm going to try two more blue+ and see how it works for me. I think they just might do the trick..

JBanks:

Since I posted that, I switched to the following:

FRONT
ATI Blue+
ATI Aquablue Special
ATI Blue+
UVL Super Actinic
ATI Blue+
Gies. Actinic+
ATI Blue+
 
Sunny,
Im 3 weeks into MB7 and a week into Vodka. I seeded my tank with 1 cap full of MB7 per day for 2 weeks prior to starting Vodka. This Algae formed on one of my frags that was killed by another coral within a few days of starting MB7. Is this what you refer to as Red Cotton Algae?

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It is ONLY on this one dead frag in my tank, no where else.

I am now only dosing 1 drop of MB7 & .2ml of Vodka per day. Do you think the algae will subside over time with the lower dosage of MB7?

The algae does not appear to be harming any of the other corals around it, is it something I should be concerned about?
 
Heres a little better pic of it. Its in a really awkward spot in my tank to get pics of, so its the best I can do.

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If it is cyano or red slime algae, what are your recommendations to do with it? It doesn't seem to be harming anything right now. It didn't pop up until I started the high dosage MB7. Today will be my 3rd day on the low dosage, just one drop. Do you think it will subside?
 
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You may want to try dosing potassium nitrate in small quantities to try balancing nitrate and phosphate levels (there is a great thread on it here on RC). In my personal experience, this has alleviated cyano growth with my MB7/BioFuel dosing. A little nitrate is beneficial in many respects, IMO.

Have given that some thought, but have heard of the nitrate spike really harming some sps, especially montis. I was wondering if I started feeding more heavily, if I may get the same result. Would think the increase may be more gradual than using potassium nitrate. Granted , phosphates would maybe rise also, but perhaps the combo of the mb7/chaeto (and maybe vodka?) might bring things back into equilibrium?

Another possibility is that the cyano-type growth you are getting is a result of overdosing the bacteria. If it the texture looks like cotton-candy, you are indeed ODing the MB7. If not, it's probably those low nitrates.

No doubt, it's cyano. (blk94rs 's pic just posted. But I'd be happy if that was all I had in my tank!)
 
Any way to determine how much strontium to dose? Is srontium overdose something to worry about? how about other elements like potassium, molybdenum...? do you dose those?
any tests for those or any way to estimate tank consumtion based on Ca or alk consumption somehow?


Strontium overdose (to an extent) is not something to worry too much about. I believe it's Seachem that sells a test for it but it is expensive and hard to perform. I would just follow the instructions on the container.

Potassium IS something that you should worry about overdosing. It can give SPS corals burnt tips and even kill fish if high enough. No tests currently out on the market test potassium well. Most people rely on the coloration of their blue corals to help them determine when to dose potassium.

And i know nothing about molybdenum. except for the fact that it is in my trace element additive. :)
 
To join Sunny's social group:
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The above info only allows you to subscribe to this group. You will not be able to participate in the group, but you can follow along. I guess Sunny was right. Looks like you must be a premium member to participate.
 
Wow, what an amazing tank and thread. I have know spent hours reading and still cant finish. You are a true inspiration in the hobby.

I have been dosing vodka for two weeks now and I have seen good results so far. After reading through here I have bought some MB7 however I am confused about the initial mixing. why do you have to mix the solution with 250ml of water, and then use drops to put it in. It doesn't make sense to me. Why can't you just put it in directly?

Can you explain the initial mixing and what the drops mean, is this through an eye dropper kind of thing?

Thank you so much for being so informative.
 
Strontium overdose (to an extent) is not something to worry too much about. I believe it's Seachem that sells a test for it but it is expensive and hard to perform. I would just follow the instructions on the container.

Potassium IS something that you should worry about overdosing. It can give SPS corals burnt tips and even kill fish if high enough. No tests currently out on the market test potassium well. Most people rely on the coloration of their blue corals to help them determine when to dose potassium.

And i know nothing about molybdenum. except for the fact that it is in my trace element additive. :)

Thanks for the info
 
Looking for an opinion. Been dosing mb7 for five weeks or so now (90 DT, 240 gallon TWV). Started with the "new tank dose" for the first two weeks, and now adding 5 drops a day. Nitrates are at 0.1 or lower (Salifert). Still getting lots and lots of chaeto growth.
My problem is phosphates. Though the tests show clear, I have little coralline growth, and absolutely outrageous cyano growth, both sure signs of elevated phosphate levels. The cyano has been a problem for months now. I started running GFO again, about two weeks ago. Though there seems to be some of it starting to slightly recede in a couple of places, in others it is as bad as ever.
My question is whether or not I should start dosing vodka? While on one hand it seems like the vodka will just be food for the cyano, I was wondering if the other bacteria in the mb7, if given fuel, will overcome the cyano.
And will dosing vodka even be beneficial since my nitrate level is already low?

That's a tough one. It would probably be best to get the red slime under control before starting up with the vodka. Running GFO for a few weeks along with manual siphoning should do the trick. If you dose the vodka now while red slime is present it will feed and likely accelerate the growth of the red slime.

I keep a close eye on my tank and whenever I see the slightest hint of slime I stop dosing vodka. After a week I start up the vodka once again. I would continue to dose MB7 as it should help out compete the red slime for resources.
 
Any way to determine how much strontium to dose? Is srontium overdose something to worry about? how about other elements like potassium, molybdenum...? do you dose those?
any tests for those or any way to estimate tank consumption based on Ca or alk consumption somehow?

Hello Maroun :D

Dosing of Strontium can be tricky, especially if you conduct regular water changes. I dont do water changes all that often so I need to add supplements from time to time. Some experts have warned of strontium building up to toxic levels in systems over time. Other experts say that strontium is readily processed by SPS so it is nothing to worry about. Personally, I dose half of the recommended dosage and dont worry about it. So far everything has been doing great. My corals grow very well so I do not worry about a buildup of elements. Although, in a system where corals are not growing optimally I could see an issue with the buildup of elements so precautions must be taken in order to subvert this.

I dose Lugol's solution(elemental iodine and potassium iodide) and it has done wonders for my blue corals. I have been dosing Lugol's for about 7 years now with no signs of toxicity or buildup.

Concerning molybdenum, If you have a copy of The Reef Aquarium III it has a section concerning it. I believe it was shown to have a positive effect on zoa's and softies, while aiding to combat infections.

I dont test for any of these elements as the test kits are really not that accurate. I will have to look in some of my books here to see if there is anyway to calculate strontium demand based on CA/ALK consumption. Strontium aids corals in absorbing CA faster/easier near the surface of the coral so there should be a correlation between the two. I will look it up and get back to you. ;)
 
Sunny,
Im 3 weeks into MB7 and a week into Vodka. I seeded my tank with 1 cap full of MB7 per day for 2 weeks prior to starting Vodka. This Algae formed on one of my frags that was killed by another coral within a few days of starting MB7. Is this what you refer to as Red Cotton Algae?

3970420724_3f3211870e.jpg


It is ONLY on this one dead frag in my tank, no where else.

I am now only dosing 1 drop of MB7 & .2ml of Vodka per day. Do you think the algae will subside over time with the lower dosage of MB7?

The algae does not appear to be harming any of the other corals around it, is it something I should be concerned about?

Hello,

looks like red slime to me. I would siphon it out and stop dosing vodka for one week. Keep an eye on the tank in the future for any sign of red slime. If you catching it early it will have no chance of spreading and causing issues.
 
Wow, what an amazing tank and thread. I have know spent hours reading and still cant finish. You are a true inspiration in the hobby.

I have been dosing vodka for two weeks now and I have seen good results so far. After reading through here I have bought some MB7 however I am confused about the initial mixing. why do you have to mix the solution with 250ml of water, and then use drops to put it in. It doesn't make sense to me. Why can't you just put it in directly?

Can you explain the initial mixing and what the drops mean, is this through an eye dropper kind of thing?

Thank you so much for being so informative.

Hello and welcome to the thread. :D

I dont mix the MB7 with water before placing it into the tank. I drip it directly in front of a Vortech pump. When opening the top of the MB7 bottle it should have a small opening making it easy to simply drip it into the tank. You are starting up new with the MB7 so I would go with the heavy dosage for the first two weeks. For that you will be using the cap on the bottle which should measure out to 5ML.

Good luck and let us know how it works out for you. :thumbsup:
 
Sunny,

thank you for the quick responce. That helps I'm really excited to see how the mb7 works. As stated earlier I have been dosing for two weeks now and the last two days I have noticed all of my reds are fading out. Why do you think the reds would do this, and what would you do to evercome the fading?

Thx
 
Sonny or other gurus,
Can you suggest a Temp controller for a 75gallon tank? I have 4 different means of reading temperature of the water but they are all off up to an 8 degree difference. I have no clue what the actual temp of my tank is right now, hopefully its 79 as per my cheap pet-co thermometer reads. I am also running a 300W RENA smartheater as the only heater. I also have another 300W and a 50W of the same make and model. Thank you!
 
Hello,

looks like red slime to me. I would siphon it out and stop dosing vodka for one week. Keep an eye on the tank in the future for any sign of red slime. If you catching it early it will have no chance of spreading and causing issues.

Sunny, would you stop both MB7 and Vodka? The algae did not pop up until I started the MB7, about 12 days before I started vodka.

If it goes away during that week, is there anything I can do to prevent it from coming back once I strat back up?
 
Sonny or other gurus,
Can you suggest a Temp controller for a 75gallon tank? I have 4 different means of reading temperature of the water but they are all off up to an 8 degree difference. I have no clue what the actual temp of my tank is right now, hopefully its 79 as per my cheap pet-co thermometer reads. I am also running a 300W RENA smartheater as the only heater. I also have another 300W and a 50W of the same make and model. Thank you!

Get a Ranco Thrmometer Controler. Set it where you want your tank and then set the heaters themselves just a bit higher. Redundancy is what I look for. The Ranco controls the main heating function and when the Ranco fails, the heaters will kick off at a temp just a little warmer and you're safe.

As for the actual temp. Get a decent glass thermometer (or two) and compare them, then set all the electronic ones to read the same. I think as long as you are in the 77-80 degree range and it is stable, there is no need to agonize over the exact temp....just as long as it is fairly stable.
 
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