Sonny's Rimless Shallow Reef.
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reefgeek31
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Sunny I think this new look is great. I love the fact that your tank is not a jam packed but beautifully tasteful.
reefgeek31
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Sonny quick question for you. I know it is based on opinion but I like what you have to say most of the time so please tell me what you would do.
In the process of setting up a 60x30x18 rimless. I will end up with about 16" of water and plan on running MB7 and vodka. I feel i will need 10 t5's at least for good coverage or i could go with 2 250 mh in lumen-max elite. I don't have the money for a t5 fixture so I don't think i will get great par reading with diy cooling of my t5's.
Basically do you think I would be better off with mh or t5's
In the process of setting up a 60x30x18 rimless. I will end up with about 16" of water and plan on running MB7 and vodka. I feel i will need 10 t5's at least for good coverage or i could go with 2 250 mh in lumen-max elite. I don't have the money for a t5 fixture so I don't think i will get great par reading with diy cooling of my t5's.
Basically do you think I would be better off with mh or t5's
Iwishihadgills
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When dosing micro bactor7 would it be ok to run a uv sterlizer or would it nuke your bacteria you just put in?
thanks
thanks
Rodrigo_BG
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Sunny what was the goal reducing some colonies size and getting rid of some others? The tank was nice. Do you intend another corals?
Looking good as usual.
Looking good as usual.
t5Nitro
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I've stopped MB7 and vodka. I'm restarting it and would I really have to do 4 caps of MB7 daily for 2 weeks and then drop it and start the vodka or is it alright to do maybe 3-4 drops of MB7 and 1 drop of vodka daily and increase as needed?
I started to dose multiple caps of MB7 and the dinos like to reappear so I want to reduce it to a few drops daily and add a small amount of vodka. Would this solve it?
I started to dose multiple caps of MB7 and the dinos like to reappear so I want to reduce it to a few drops daily and add a small amount of vodka. Would this solve it?
Faisal1976us
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SunnyX ,, Today i bring my first T5 light for my 1.5m x 60cm x 60 cm sps tank , its Sfligoi stealth 12 x T5 80w , i planning to use this combination for good colors :
5 x Aquablue Special
5 x Blue Plus
1 x Fiji purple
1 x pro color
What did you think ?
5 x Aquablue Special
5 x Blue Plus
1 x Fiji purple
1 x pro color
What did you think ?
SunnyX
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Thanks! The Powerbrite is about 2.5 feet above the tank. The spread has been great and everything is looking good.
Thank you and I am happy that it has worked out well for you.
Great pics Sonny, it'll be great to watch it all grow in through your images....nice camera work. Disregard the social group question...just noticed you need to be premium to join.
Also as mentioned I started the bacteria a la MB7 & Vodka system in my new build. I've been trying to prepare for possible challenges and learning dosing skills while I wait to stock the tank more. To do this I've been going through this thread and collecting all your good help/info. Here's the list I created..... I guess you could link or copy/paste if needed, or to use in a seperate thread if you like. Any incorrect interpretation that need correcting would be great.....thanks. Any important additions missed also greatly appreciated.
MB7 (Bottle Instructions.)
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Vodka (or carbon) Dosing - http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php
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Probiotic Reef Keeping.
Time to dose = during lights on seems best. MB7 into the display. Vodka into the sump.
Rules
1) Need a good skimmer
Noticed in Water testing
1) high nitrates = increase vodka as per instructions.
2) no Nitrate/Phos change in LONG time = try another carbon source like vinegar, sugar, biofule...
3) low nitrates = maintain till 0 then reduce to maintenence levels of vodka
4) Increase in Alk = stop dosing Cal / alk, test water change h20 for alk level. Decrease with large water changes and/or chemicals if it gets bad. Corals may stop taking Cal/ALK while getting used to Probiotic system & increased light.
4) new tank/build = follow instructions, stay close to the low side of dosing.
5) Phosphate being high = a round of GFO
Noticed in Algae/Bacteria Reaction
1) Bacterial Blooms (slimy white strings) = too much bacteria, decrease vodka dosing.
2) algae on glass after increase of MB7 = reduce MB7
3) brown dusting or brown hair like stuff = decrease MB7 (also check http://www.rimlessreef.com/1/post/2009/04/dinoflagellates-and-the-treament-of.html )
4) cyano = increase MB7 and/or lower/stop vodka dose. After the cyano has gone away restart the vodka from the initial or maintenence dose. If it's really bad consider a "lights out" period. If really really bad consider "Red Slime Remover."
5) peach fuzz = stop or decrease (especially vodka) dosing for a while (about a week or till the fuzz dies off) then start back up with the maintenance dose. OR This may also just go away in time.
6) glass and sand getting dirtier = dose more/feed less
Noticed in Live Stock Reaction
1) Corals losing color = more feeding, possibly Amino Acids, lower photo period an hour for a while.
2) Corals Burnt Tips = check alkalinity..get it to 7-8 dKH by stop dosing alk...maybe stop dosing EVERYTHING if it gets bad.
3) Monti caps bleaching = Cut the vodka dosage in half and stay there until the cap starts to color up and/or lower the lighting photoperiod for a bit or have a light "day off."
4) Everything dies = Blame the wife, kids, or something other than your own possible mistakes
Other
1) substrate hardening = keep it broken up and syphoned with water changes. Maintain a good high PH of 8.1 - 8.3
Great list! Thank you for taking the time to compile it!
Sohal is gone, I will miss him.
Thank you! You have to respect the empty and negative space.
SunnyX
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Thats a tough call. Both lighting systems are great, but you also have to stay within budget. Perhaps you could use the MH's while supplementing with a couple T5's? A white MH bulb with a couple ATI Blue+ T5 bulbs would look great! :thumbsup:
SunnyX
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I dont know if the UV will nuke ALL the bacteria, but I am sure that it will affect it. Why are you running UV? I ask because I have never ran it, and never seen a to.
I wanted to add more LPS and also redo the tank. I was getting bored with the design, and if I could I would have gone with a larger tank. Unfortunately, its not really the best time to hop into a larger tank so I will have to stick with what I have. Perhaps I will be into a larger tank this summer.
Dose at a reduced level and observe the tank closely. Dosing will vary from system to system so it is up to you to determine the final dosing amount.
That looks good but I would ditch the Pro Color for another Fiji Purple or perhaps an ATI Blue+. The Pro Color is weak and will overwhelmed by the surrounding bulbs.
Thanks !
SunnyX
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Iwishihadgills
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Well from all of what ive heard it makes your water clearer but i took it off since i will be dosing mb7 and do not want it to interfere with my dosing. I have feeling that the mb7 will do 2x better then my uv sterlizer anyways. We will see.
ps Your the reason why im getting t5's
ps Your the reason why im getting t5's
SunnyX
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Well from all of what ive heard it makes your water clearer but i took it off since i will be dosing mb7 and do not want it to interfere with my dosing. I have feeling that the mb7 will do 2x better then my uv sterlizer anyways. We will see.
ps Your the reason why im getting t5's
Cool, lets me know how it all works out for you. You will love T5's! :thumbsup:
Thank you.
3x Blue+ : Noon-11:30PM
Blue+, Fiji Purple: 2:30PM-10:30PM
2x Aquablue Special: 4:30PM-9:30PM
Reeftanks6
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Sonny this is a beautiful tank. Love all the coral. Come check out my thread in the reef discussion. I am trying to get my tank moved to a flower to a reef. Hope you can help.
Anybody can come and help me out thanks.
Here is the url
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1754721
Anybody can come and help me out thanks.
Here is the url
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1754721
Reefobsession
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Sonny have you played around with water changes? Meaning do you think that one of your tanks contributing factors is that you do a 30 gallon water change once a month. I typically do 10 gallons a week with my 72.
I started dosing vodka and then stopped. Note I did not try MB7. I got some good results and some bad. I got no skimmate production after a while and my kole tang got hole on the head. I was feeding only spectrum, so I think that was the cause. I dosed vodka for 2 months and my skimmate became less and less. I got great colors from all my corals and noticed a reduction in algae. I had very little algae on my glass. I started to get red cotton algae, so I decided to just stop since I would be gone for the holidays.
Anyway, I want to restart and am going to start up with MB7 for 2 weeks. Do you think I should cut back on the water changes? Is to much bad for a bacteria driven system?
I started dosing vodka and then stopped. Note I did not try MB7. I got some good results and some bad. I got no skimmate production after a while and my kole tang got hole on the head. I was feeding only spectrum, so I think that was the cause. I dosed vodka for 2 months and my skimmate became less and less. I got great colors from all my corals and noticed a reduction in algae. I had very little algae on my glass. I started to get red cotton algae, so I decided to just stop since I would be gone for the holidays.
Anyway, I want to restart and am going to start up with MB7 for 2 weeks. Do you think I should cut back on the water changes? Is to much bad for a bacteria driven system?
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