Sonny's Rimless Shallow Reef.

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ocd_mariner said:
I didn't get any comments on my post earlier in this thread. I'd really like someones input before I put a sand bed in :)

Here is a thread I started in the reef chemistry forum: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1769137
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I answered in your thread. Put some sand in. ;)

burt said:
Hi sunny, could you give me a bulb combo for a 10x 54w ATI PM, pls and whats a good height to hang it over a 3' wide tank, thanks.
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Hello,

I would do this:

FRONT
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus
KZ Fiji Purple
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aqua Blue Special
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aqua Blue Special
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus

You may want to order an extra ATI Aqua Blue Special in-case the combo above is too blue for your taste. As for hanging the fixture, the distance will depend on where you place the corals. I would shoot for 3-5" over the tank.

dfd189 said:
Experiencing a "peach fuzz" outbreak. Should I reduce the amount of vodka that I am dosing?

90 gallon, mixed reef, 2 clowns and 2 tangs.

Calcium is 460, Alk 12 dKH, pH 8.4, Salinity 1.027, Nitrates 0, Phosphate 0, Ammonia 0, Temp 78.

I use wet/dry filtration with a 100 micron filter pad. An ATI 200 skimmer is in the sump.

I run GFO and Carbon in separate reactors, the media is changed monthly.

I add 3 drops of MicroBacter7 and .5ml of 80 proof vodka daily.

I also put in 1/2 teaspoon of Kalk to every gallon my store bought Gilligan top off water.
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I know someone else had some peach fuzz issues but I am not sure what causes it. Is it harming anything in your setup? If your corals and tank is otherwise healthy I wouldn't worry too much about it.
 
Lyfey said:
what kind of vinegar? Since my tank did not work with the vodka/mb7. I might start a Mb7/vinegar dosing try. Is it just plain ol' white vinegar? What is the dosing like with sugar? I am having a hard time keeping down P04/N03.

To get rid of all my cyano I turned up all of my pumps full blast (vortech mp40, green mode 100%) put a filter sock on the drain line and blasted every rock hard with a turkey baster. Then as everything was floating all around the tank, I took a large net and netted out everything I could out of the tank, I then turned off the lights for the night and did not turn the lights back on until 2 days after. I turned on my D/D to feed the fish the next day but then turned them off after an hour or so. I have seen very little cyano since I did that. Just my experience
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I am using Heinz white vinegar: http://www.heinzvinegar.com/products-distilled-white-vinegar.aspx You can buy a big jug from Costco for very little money, something like $4-5.
 
SunnyX said:
I know someone else had some peach fuzz issues but I am not sure what causes it. Is it harming anything in your setup? If your corals and tank is otherwise healthy I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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Everything in the tank looks superb other than the fuzz.....
 
SunnyX said:
I have been dosing vinegar, about 40ml, for the past 7 days and the cyano has all but gone away. The red slime remover works, but it may brown out some corals.

I would give vinegar a shot and see what happens. From what I have read, the dosage of vinegar should be 8 times what you dose in vodka.

You slime was barely noticeable when I seen you setup, has it taken off recently? I know mine did. It was a small patch which spread to half the sand bed overnight!

Once the vinegar has taken care of the cyano I plan on incorporating it with vodka. This way, the cyano can stay in check by having some competition for resources.

Ill be back in Chicago this spring, I plan on bring you over some cool SPS. I want to trade for a frag of that stunning blue tort. :D
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I'll give that a whirl...I had actually discontinued the vodka altogether, but had started it up on the last week or so. The cyano has been pretty bad for 3-4 months now...if left unchecked, it blankets the sandbed after a few weeks. I had just taken a baster to the sandbed the night before, which is a temporary fix for a couple days, which is why you didn't notice it ;) I've siphoned it all out three to four times now, and it has always come back, so I'm somewhat at a loss... I tried massive water changes as well (three 10% changes in a week, normally I do one 10% a week). I'll try the vinegar instead of vodka (I also added the NP biopellets a couple weeks ago). I don't think my nutrients are high, because my coloration is pretty good, and everything else seems healthy, so I'm wondering if this might be a case where cyano has managed to thrive in a LNS (have you read that article in the latest Coral mag about this?).

I noticed that mine mainly pops up on the sandbed, away from rockwork...often there is actually an white band of sorts around the rocks where the cyano stops a 1/2" from the rock. I'm starting to wonder if it has something to do with bacteria that lives in LR, not being able to live on the sandbed, so cyano is able to thrive on the sandbed. Eric has also mentioned problems with cyano on his sandbed. Seems like the cyano might be linked to an open aquascape with SSB in some way?

Also, on the frags, I'll definitely hold a tort frag for you...and maybe a few other choice frags ;)
 
SunnyX said:
I answered in your thread. Put some sand in. ;)



Hello,

I would do this:

FRONT
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus
KZ Fiji Purple
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aqua Blue Special
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aqua Blue Special
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus

You may want to order an extra ATI Aqua Blue Special in-case the combo above is too blue for your taste. As for hanging the fixture, the distance will depend on where you place the corals. I would shoot for 3-5" over the tank.
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Personally with 10 bulbs I would add a second Fiji Purple so the color is even throughout the tank. If you ask Grim what to do with 10 bulbs he will reco 2 of the red bulbs whether it be the Fiji or the UVL Actinic White.
 
rtparty said:
Personally with 10 bulbs I would add a second Fiji Purple so the color is even throughout the tank. If you ask Grim what to do with 10 bulbs he will reco 2 of the red bulbs whether it be the Fiji or the UVL Actinic White.
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I have played around with this on my 12-bulb T5 setup, and am with Sonny...I think 2 fiji purples is a bit much. I place mine over the area with most of my pink/red corals, and use it in my sunrise/sunset combo.
 
I have having cyano issues with vodka as well, all over the rocks and sand.

I tried to counter act it by dosing more MB7, but started getting too much brown film. I then dosed some vodka again, even LITTLE bit, and the cyano came back. After two weeks, I couldn't find the right balance.

Then I heard about both running GFO and Carbon to help with cyano. (I wasn't running either while I was dosing - trying to save money). The next morning, the cyano retreated tremendously. I have very small amount in my rocks, and no longer have it on the sand.

Good luck gents.
 
SunnyX said:
Hello,

I would do this:

FRONT
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus
KZ Fiji Purple
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aqua Blue Special
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Aqua Blue Special
ATI Blue Plus
ATI Blue Plus

You may want to order an extra ATI Aqua Blue Special in-case the combo above is too blue for your taste. As for hanging the fixture, the distance will depend on where you place the corals. I would shoot for 3-5" over the tank.
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Thanks Sunny, i'll give that a go, BTW i've been a silent fan of your tanks for sometime!
 
mcliffy2 said:
I'll give that a whirl...I had actually discontinued the vodka altogether, but had started it up on the last week or so. The cyano has been pretty bad for 3-4 months now...if left unchecked, it blankets the sandbed after a few weeks. I had just taken a baster to the sandbed the night before, which is a temporary fix for a couple days, which is why you didn't notice it ;) I've siphoned it all out three to four times now, and it has always come back, so I'm somewhat at a loss... I tried massive water changes as well (three 10% changes in a week, normally I do one 10% a week). I'll try the vinegar instead of vodka (I also added the NP biopellets a couple weeks ago). I don't think my nutrients are high, because my coloration is pretty good, and everything else seems healthy, so I'm wondering if this might be a case where cyano has managed to thrive in a LNS (have you read that article in the latest Coral mag about this?).

I noticed that mine mainly pops up on the sandbed, away from rockwork...often there is actually an white band of sorts around the rocks where the cyano stops a 1/2" from the rock. I'm starting to wonder if it has something to do with bacteria that lives in LR, not being able to live on the sandbed, so cyano is able to thrive on the sandbed. Eric has also mentioned problems with cyano on his sandbed. Seems like the cyano might be linked to an open aquascape with SSB in some way?

Also, on the frags, I'll definitely hold a tort frag for you...and maybe a few other choice frags ;)
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I haven't seen the latest article in Coral mag but I will be sure to check it out. I also get cyano only on the sandbed, and none on the rocks. Siphoning my sand has proved useful, as I have not had the cyano coming back as strong. I may be looking into a different form of bacteria supplementation in order to stem the rise of cyano. I will probably be ordering some ZeoBak soon and see if that does anything. Another source of bacteria couldn't hurt, and it may even improve upon my successes.

I know some guys have been using ZEOzym and they love it. It is supposed to get rid of all cyano and sludge.I guess Eric has some so you may want to give him a call. It may be something to look into: http://glassbox-design.com/2008/korallen-zucht-zeozym/
 
DFason said:
Sonny - Pictures! :)

-Dave
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Soon ;)

MSHUR said:
Sunny,
Since i have cyano problem as well, i am very interested how vinegar effect on killing cyano? I do dose prodibio, corals looks Ok, not bad at all:)..But, this cyano is killing me. Some on recomended to use this product:
http://www.premiumaquatics.com/Merc...D&Product_Code=EL-SBH16&Category_Code=Mircobe
I should get it in a couple of days to give a try...


mike
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That looks like bacteria to me. If you are already dosing Prodibio bacteria then that product would not be needed. You could give vinegar a shot, or simply scale back on the carbon source.

burt said:
Thanks Sunny, i'll give that a go, BTW i've been a silent fan of your tanks for sometime!
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Thanks! :D

fernandokng said:
I have having cyano issues with vodka as well, all over the rocks and sand.

I tried to counter act it by dosing more MB7, but started getting too much brown film. I then dosed some vodka again, even LITTLE bit, and the cyano came back. After two weeks, I couldn't find the right balance.

Then I heard about both running GFO and Carbon to help with cyano. (I wasn't running either while I was dosing - trying to save money). The next morning, the cyano retreated tremendously. I have very small amount in my rocks, and no longer have it on the sand.

Good luck gents.
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Yeah, that is a good idea as well. I have run GFO in the past to starve out cyano but am now looking for a more natural way to kill it off. Unfortunately, cyano is a side effect when dosing carbon.

Dejavu said:
There are a lot of tanks that I sure they didn't setup in there :worried:.
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Yeah, looks like he has taken the pictures down.
 
Sonny, thanks again for your helpful information and inspiration.

I just added a SSB to see if that helps the bacteria take off. I'm curious what your regimen is for keeping for sand bed clean. Im sure this has been answered before, but.... 66 pages :p
 
ocd_mariner said:
Sonny, thanks again for your helpful information and inspiration.

I just added a SSB to see if that helps the bacteria take off. I'm curious what your regimen is for keeping for sand bed clean. Im sure this has been answered before, but.... 66 pages :p
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LOL, with all of the splits totaled there are 146 pages! :hmm5: I siphon out the sand once a month using this: http://www.petsmart.com/product/ind...-C881-DE11-B712-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA

You will enjoy the SSB, as it will make your system much more stable.

Good luck!
 
Not that I can add a solution to the cyano problem. But, when I dosed bacteria(tried a few types{Reef-Resh, Zeovit, and Vodka}). All gave me cyano after a little bit of time. Every time this would start, I ended up stopping that particular bacteria I was using at the time, to have it go away within the next few water changes. Then, eventually I would try another type, but, could never find the right balance I guess?
 
SunnyX said:
I haven't seen the latest article in Coral mag but I will be sure to check it out. I also get cyano only on the sandbed, and none on the rocks. Siphoning my sand has proved useful, as I have not had the cyano coming back as strong. I may be looking into a different form of bacteria supplementation in order to stem the rise of cyano. I will probably be ordering some ZeoBak soon and see if that does anything. Another source of bacteria couldn't hurt, and it may even improve upon my successes.

I know some guys have been using ZEOzym and they love it. It is supposed to get rid of all cyano and sludge.I guess Eric has some so you may want to give him a call. It may be something to look into: http://glassbox-design.com/2008/korallen-zucht-zeozym/
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SunnyX

I've run Zeo for a year now. You can and will get Cyano with the Zeo system as well. Zeo information indicates reducing the Start2 (Carbon Source) if this happens.

Recently, (Oct 09) I noticed the nutrients going up in my tank just from close observation. My ZeoBac was out of date and I suspected bad. I purchased some MB7 and started using it along with the Zeo Carbon source and things went back to "normal". As you stated, ZeoZym is a good product and does help rid the tank of cyano and other ailments. Using it according to instructions (with ZeoBac or bacteria source) does result in less cyano and reduced recurance. It also results in very clear water.

In the end, I believe that you are correct in trying to diversify the bacteria being introduced into the system. I now alternate between MB7 and ZeoBac with good results.

:thumbsup:
 
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