Sorry John... But I am calling out COPPS!!!

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13946081#post13946081 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stunreefer
You change out 100% of the water with fresh salt water in the QT tanks with fish in it? How do you go about this? (without having fish with no water - I know that sounds stupid, but I'm at a loss here...)

Also, do you keep live rock in QT assuming your not using Cupramine?
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As I do my water changes, I scoop the fish out with a specimen container and place it in a bucket with the tank water... this is a bit of short term stress but much better than allowing our fish to be in low quality water... IN QT nitrates will quickly build as there is no means of breaking them down... this also allows me to completely clean out the QT tank, removing life stages of many maladies... I do not use live rock in QT... no need for it... with certain fish I'll place them in an established system segregated away, but I do that less and less nowadays as my skills with QT have improved...

One important note is that I don't worry about long term nutrition in QT... only short term calories... whatever your new fish is eating... feed it early, alot, and often... allowing it to replenish lost fat reserves...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13949668#post13949668 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by blface
You must have a conspic?? Let's see some of your unusual collection of the larger angels. Centropyge's are nice but I love the Pomacanthus or Chaetodontoplus better.:D
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My old conspic...





<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13950544#post13950544 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Grouperhead
Awesome thread, tons of great info.

Copps, what are your thoughts on Chrysurus angels? I see you have one (what don't you have) and they are my favorite large angel and the #1 angel on my future keeping list. How is it as far as aggression, hardiness, etc? Can't really find a ton of info on them on the net.
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The one you see in the photo I've had for about five years now... grown from a tiny juvenile in early '04 when Kenya was just stepping up exports... his tail was completely clear he was so small and he survived a move to our new house... shortly after I got a larger specimen and kept these together for a while... but since moved them to a back system... I placed the smaller guy in the fish only first and will move the other up soon...

Here's the guy in the earlier photo back in September of '05... just getting his yellow tail...


And the larger one also in September of '05... hogging the turkey baster...


And them together back then...





Below is a hybrid chrysurus/koran I received from Kenya... unfortunately she developed an infection on her mouth that inhibited her from feeding... I cured the infection and she started feeding again but it was too late... with alot of these fish I receive it's tough... I don't have the luxury of checking it out at the LFS... but again you pay for the experience... all fish will die... with luck it will be for years you'll have them, but not always... as in life, we should only worry about things that are under our control... check this beauty out...


There is a soup of Pomacanthus hybrids coming out of Kenya... with most going to Hong Kong... this is perhaps the most beautiful I've seen... an emp/chrysurus hybrid...

 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13956107#post13956107 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LisaD

I'm pretty sure that what I thought was a Diana's hogfish may have been the same species as your fish. I had never seen a B. diana that looked exactly like mine, especially in the schnoz region, until you posted that picture. :)
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Hey Lisa, do you have a photo? Also, what's the update on your angels?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13956385#post13956385 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ahoyhoy239
Wow great thread John, ive learned alot of neat things here and I hope i will be able to attend your speech for FMAS. Just wondering about what you mention with the dissolved oxygen, would it be more beneficial to keep the dissolved oxygen elevated as found in the surf zone for all species or to keep it closer to a specific fish's natural habitat such as the goldrim and merely keep say all deepwater species?
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We should all shoot to keep our O2 levels as high as possible as all parts of a reef fishes habitat I would think are saturated well... but I always thought about the surge zone... I've dived all eight major Hawaiian Islands and and always thought that when I saw achilles... just speculation of course...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13956439#post13956439 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by LargeAngels
copps: Nice shots and I agree 100% on the QT.
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Thanks so much bud... QT is a double edged sword... when properly done it's the best method... but improperly done will almost surely result in disaster...

FTS coming tomorrow or Sunday...

Copps
 
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Darn that's too bad on the Koran x Chrysurus, I was really anxious to see how it would turn out.

I'm sure you'll find another sweet fish though.

As far as the O2 levels, I think even in deepwater that seawater O2 levels are high. In the ocean their is so much water per fish that I doubt it could get depleted. And I think we should strive to keep the O2 levels as high as possible.
 
the ocean O2 levels are probably higher than our tanks, but no where near the amount of the surge zones where the water is crashing against rocks. So much air, you can't even see :)

good pics john, as usual...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13981391#post13981391 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tcmfish
Darn that's too bad on the Koran x Chrysurus, I was really anxious to see how it would turn out.

I'm sure you'll find another sweet fish though.

As far as the O2 levels, I think even in deepwater that seawater O2 levels are high. In the ocean their is so much water per fish that I doubt it could get depleted. And I think we should strive to keep the O2 levels as high as possible.
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Also don't forget that algae will also output O2..
 
John, first of all, wow!

Secondly, what are your thoughts on the temperature range for C. interruptus in captivity? I remember you said you have one in your SPS system, do you try to keep the temperature at the lower ranges for SPS?
 
I believe his C. interruptus was captive raised but I could be wrong, and Frank said that the captive raised ones would live in warmer temps, but his wild broodstock required cooler water.
 
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Originally posted by LisaD

I'm pretty sure that what I thought was a Diana's hogfish may have been the same species as your fish. I had never seen a B. diana that looked exactly like mine, especially in the schnoz region, until you posted that picture.

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Hey Lisa, do you have a photo? Also, what's the update on your angels?
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sorry, missed the question.

one of my great regrets is that I never photograped that system with the hogfish. I kept it in the early 90s, took it down when I moved to North Carolina in 1994. at the time, I didn't realize the LFS in Minnesota where I got the hogfish, pair of Naso tangs and white spotted filefish was stocking some uncommon fish (it's even uncommon these days, IME, to find an adult regular Diana's hogfish).

my blueface angel is in the DT, doing very well. he sticks to the rocks, but the whole back of the tank is open, so he can swim in and out of the caves, and to the length of the tank. he is getting bolder and comes out to feed along with the emp, though he keeps his eye on it and darts back when in its sight. the emperor gives chase now and then, but at a decreasing rate.

the blue spotted angel is in QT and eating well. it is only there because it looked thin. it was handling the emp just fine, and the blueface wasn't even looking at it. Kevin Kohen at F&S weighed posted in my thread with some history on this fish, it was helpful.

I am hopeful all will be fine. thanks for the good input and advice.
 
]<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13785675#post13785675 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
:The truth is my wife and I are a young couple with two children living in the Silicon Valley of the East where the cost of living is high... outside of this hobby and Thomas the Train accessories I don't spend much... the enjoyment I get from the specimens I buy is well worth the money I pay...
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Young Couple: yep
Wife: got one
Kids: got one
Silicon Valley of the "East": Silicon Valley of the "West"; if you look down the hill from our house you can see Oracle five minutes away......I hate those ugly towers :D
Thomas the Train: Dora ('nough said)

At the end of a 70 hr week the last thing I want to do is change water and clean skimmers, but I do......b/c this hobby isn't about instant satisfaction, but rather it requires an appreciation for the the repitition of life.

Keep doing what you're doing. I remember seeing your 10g (and "Jerry" who I hope is still with you) right as I was getting back into this hobby after graduate school. I still hit your TOTM probably once a month for general inspiration. I will never have the level of depth you have in this hobby, but rather I take the simple pleasures--like keeping a yellow tang alive, as the first one I killed back in '92 in a 20g high b/c nobody "knew". We still have a long way to go in this hobby, but small steps are better than big leaps, and it takes people like you forging new ground, and breaking misnomers, to accomplish that task. When my 3yr old gets excited about "feeding time" I too get re-energized to clean skimmers and filter socks.

.......and by the way, you are freakin nuts with all your tanks! :rollface: :D :rolleyes: :mad: :eek1: :eek2: :rolleye1: :mixed: :strooper:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13981187#post13981187 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by copps
We should all shoot to keep our O2 levels as high as possible as all parts of a reef fishes habitat I would think are saturated well... but I always thought about the surge zone... I've dived all eight major Hawaiian Islands and and always thought that when I saw achilles... just speculation of course...
Copps
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John--What are some ways that either you or other hobbiests are replicating the oxygenation of a surge zone? Obviously it is impossible to completely replicate, but there must be a simple way to saturate the water with oxygen. I remember some time back there was a TOTM where the guy had a large industrial air pump that he had hooked up to his return somehow, and he would completely open up the flow on the air pump on a daily basis for several minutes. I am always worried about keeping optimal oxygen levels in my tank.
 
I don't know if you are thinking of weatherson's tank or not, but he uses air injection via a contraption he made to inject air into his eductors. He is a very good DIY guy and that is a cool idea.

Otherwise you could use a good protein skimmer, ozone, good surface agitation, I don't know if I like the idea of bubbles in tank or sump though because it usually leads to massive salt creep which is just more maintenance. Also running the refugium on a reverse light cycle helps.
 
hey john thanks for the response I really appreciate it. definetly will set up a QT if I decide to get a powder blue. I did end up buying a orange knife goby that my LFS was selling and is about 8 inches long . can't find any info on this fish. have you ever heard of it? kind of looks like an arawauna or a red engineer goby. LFS said it comes from Bali. but thats all I know.
 
Hey John I got a question for ya...

So how big is your QT tank or tanks? I notice you like to get fish very small, but then some of your one of a kind fish can be large. Do you have multiple tanks so you are not treating and changing a bunch of water for a 1" fish compared to a 6,7, maybe 8" fish?

Any chance of some pics of the QT or your equipment on the other tanks?
 
here is a pic of the orange knife goby in the bag. anybody have any info on it?
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13988096#post13988096 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tcmfish
So how big is your QT tank or tanks? I notice you like to get fish very small, but then some of your one of a kind fish can be large. Do you have multiple tanks so you are not treating and changing a bunch of water for a 1" fish compared to a 6,7, maybe 8" fish?

Any chance of some pics of the QT or your equipment on the other tanks?
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Great thread, I would be interested in seeing pictures of your QT setup(s) as well.
 
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