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[leviburns89]

They do but HOB are smaller and have smaller pumps. This translates into less bubbles and less skimming being able to happen.

This is what I meant. The large sump ones move much much more water, and usually have much larger collection cups.

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[ComforablyNumb]

They do but HOB are smaller and have smaller pumps. This translates into less bubbles and less skimming being able to happen.

A HOB skimmer and an in-sump skimmer that are rated for the same size tank are equally efficient. One is not more efficient than the other.

 

[jstack]

This is what I meant. The large sump ones move much much more water, and usually have much larger collection cups.

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disregard these comments on hob vs insump

 

[jstack]

Unless you are using the fuge to produce pods in a safe environment for fish to eat when the pods are finally sent up the plumbing to the DT.

still sounds like a waste of space to grow pods that I can purchase at any LFS for a couple of bucks

 

[Salty168]

If hang on and in sump skimmers proform the same, then i will go hang on.

 

[Mw1981]

Dunno if it helps but just bought all the equipment for a 40 breeder w 20 gallon sump. I have so far put about 1200 into it before filling the tank. that includes 40lbs of dry rock from a friend. I am still going to grab about 10# from tampabay saltwater for the live rock.

 

[heathlindner25]

If you get absorbed into this hobby like so many of us do, it will eat up a decent amount of your available income.hth
My future plans are, buy a larger house with a basement , so I can do the sky's the limit sump,..see where I'm going with this. This bug can bite hard.

 

[lpsouth1978]

still sounds like a waste of space to grow pods that I can purchase at any LFS for a couple of bucks

A couple of bucks from time to time, or FREE constantly. I think I chose the initial investment in a sump (that most of us already invest in). I will not own another tank that does not have a sump, it is just SOOOOOOOOO much more convenient and much better aesthetically.

 

[leviburns89]

disregard these comments on hob vs insump

Do not disregard. What we've stated is true.

Here is why
http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f...mers-are-better-than-hang-on-back-210440.html

http://www.3reef.com/threads/hang-on-the-back-skimmer-vs-in-sump.52600/

You should also consider this. Say you have to work late, or want to go out for a night or weekend. A HOB skimmer will overflow onto the floor, vs an in sump skimmer which will just dump into the sump.

Could save your flooring, drywall, and potentially a lot of money.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

After reading those two threads, I stand by my comment that a HOB rated for 100gal is as efficient as an in-sump one rated for 100gal.

You should also consider this: a sump is as likely to leak as a quality HOB skimmer is. Also, if you happen to get a skimmer overflow, the in-sump skimmer will overflow into your sump and all that gunk that was in your collection cup is then pumped into your tank. Not good! There are pro's and cons for each design. I had a major leak with my sump a couple of yrs ago so I just got rid of it... and haven't looked back. Running a sump was almost like taking care of another tank...who needed the extra work? Not me

This is one I have:

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/reef-octopus-bh2000-hang-on-the-back-protein-skimmer-1.html

Great skimmer and well built.

*edit* pic of my 55gal ..you can see the skimmer intake and output in the upper right:



Cheers, Tim

 

[leviburns89]

Not trying to get into an argument, but rarely do people buy a sump skimmer rated for 100 gallons.

Also, replace one floor from the collection cup overflowing, and good luck convincing the wife to support your hobby.

But either way, it is the reefers choice. Since I am sumpless, I of course use a HOB skimmer, as well as a HOB phosban reactor. But the risk is always there. I have to find a trusted tank sitter whenever we go out, and every day that I go to work I worry if the skimmer return clogged somehow, or a line started to leak. Considering it's sitting on $15k of hardwood flooring, risk is every bit as important as efficiency. And in sump skimmers reduce risk.

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[ComforablyNumb]

No arguments, only discussions

Replace one floor due to a sump leak and good luck convincing the wife to support your hobby.

Like I said, both designs have their pro's and cons.

 

[davehead86]

still sounds like a waste of space to grow pods that I can purchase at any LFS for a couple of bucks

Not all of us live near a LFS to just stop by and buy pods. Also a mandarin eats so many pods in a day you would have to buy them every few days. That cost adds up compared to some cheato and a lamp hung on the sump.

No one is forcing you to have a sump or run a fuge.

 

[leviburns89]

Also a mandarin eats so many pods in a day you would have to buy them every few days.

This is also what I've heard. Even if you have a great population, they are constantly eating them.

They are pretty fish, but the complexity of owning one, and not to mention the way they are captured... I wouldn't own one just for that reason.

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[Sa6hir]

I've just brought a 6x2x2.5 tank so I can tell u how much it's cost me so far so u might get a rough idea! everything was either a
second hand or new! Second hand items did come with proof of purchase to confirm age!

I didn't have a budge but I'm a sucker for a deal [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

From fellow reefers

Tank & stand less then a year old ND aquatic £650

Jabao DC 12000 8 months old £50
X2 Jabao wp40 1year old£70
90kg live rock who's to know the age £180

4 stage RO unit 15 months old but I changed all filters £40

New items

Coral moon led x3 £279
Sand 25kg £20
Eheim heater 300w x2 £48
New RO filters £40
Salt £60

This is all I have at the moment just waiting for tank to cycle so I can put in the live stock. If ur on a budge don't let it put you off just be patient and trust me it will pay off! This is a hobby that is well worth it!!


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[Salty168]

Do you guys think that you non-sumpers could post some pics of your tanks. I am a bit concerned of the look of the heaters in the tank.

 

[ComforablyNumb]

 

[leviburns89]

Old pic, so you can see what it looks like bare bones. It's covered in corals now so you don't really notice it.

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[davehead86]

Do you guys think that you non-sumpers could post some pics of your tanks. I am a bit concerned of the look of the heaters in the tank.

I dont have a sump on my current setup. Pics in sig.
I hid my heater behind my rockwork so you cant really tell its there at all.

 

[Salty168]

Thanks guys.