Sudden xenia die-off. Why?

HowardCath

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Xenia that have spread rapidly and grown very well over several months appear to be acutely "crumbling" into pieces that look like leftover cake crumbs. This has occurred over just the past 2 or 3 days! All other corals appear to be thriving. My temp and basic water parameters seem okay (I just had a sample checked for me at Emerald Bay tonight.) Any idea what might be happening?
 
The only thing I know--and I'm no expert--but in our xenia experience, they cannot tolerate elevated phosphate--and will melt before your eyes. I hear they are tempermental--but I know phosphate will kill them. I believe nitrates effect them as well, too. They also like higher salinity--.25 range--than other corals. May want to see if you are having sudden changes in temperature. That is all I can come up with.
Sorry for the loss!
 
Thanks. I'll check phosphates. My salinity is 1.025 and my temp has been stable at 78. It's happening so fast!

(Congratulations on your expecting gobies!)
 
Phosphates = zero (unless my old Red Sea test kit can go bad). I'll do a water change tomorrow. The only thing I can do. Wish it wasn't such a mystery.
 
This is or sometimes is normal for Xenia. In the wild they will start growing like mad in the early spring and then melt away by summer. In the home aquarium this may happen after 1 , 2 or 3 years. They will doing fine then one day they just die off. If you aren't running carbon you need to start ASAP and also do a major water change. They will foul the water quickly. remove as much as you can but don't get rid of the rock they were on, they do come back. Keep your water clean (but not overly clean they are filter feeders), stable temp, salinity at around between 1.025 and 1.026.

If you have a chemical battle going on in your tank that could also be the problem again a reason to use Carbon and do weekly or every other week water changes.
 
I think reef tanks should probably be around 1.026. This is the average salinity that occurs in nature. There is a really good article by Randy Holmes-Farley, Ph. D. this month in the reefkeeping online mag on this website. Here is an excerpt from this link:

http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-03/rhf/index.php

"For reference, natural ocean water has an average salinity of about 35 ppt, corresponding to a specific gravity of about 1.0264 and a conductivity of 53 mS/cm. Salinity, however, does vary substantially from place to place.

As far as I know, little real evidence suggests that keeping a coral reef aquarium at anything other than natural salinity levels is preferable. It appears to be common practice to keep marine fish, and in many cases reef aquaria, at somewhat lower than natural salinity levels. This practice stems, at least in part, from the belief that fish are less stressed at reduced salinity. Substantial misunderstandings also arise among aquarists as to how specific gravity really relates to salinity, especially considering temperature effects.

The salinity on natural reefs has been discussed in previous articles. My recommendation is to maintain salinity at a natural level. If the organisms in the aquarium are from brackish environments with lower salinity, or from the Red Sea with higher salinity, selecting something other than 35 ppt may make good sense. Otherwise, I suggest targeting a salinity of 35 ppt (specific gravity = 1.0264; conductivity = 53 mS/cm)."
 
Hey Howard....sometimes a good haircut is what they need...that's what I used to do to my xenia population to keep them in line. I read somewhere that if they spread way too much they may die off naturally.....just a thought.

I'm home sick today so if you need anything shoot me a PM....

Oh, and I matched! I find out on Thursday where I end up!!
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SS
 
Hey, SS! Sorry you're sick (make it into a nice break). Congratulations! I'll be anxious know where you matched.

I would never have thought to give my xenia a "haircut". If I knew how, I wouldn't know when. This came on super quickly. My first thought would have been that I did something wrong except that everything else seems to be doing well.

As Sir Knight suggested (Thanks!), I placed a bag of resin/carbon (Bio-Chem-Sorb) in the sump and did a 23 gallon water change tonight. The xenia I received from you had spread to four rocks. It will be interesting to see if it all melts or if there may be some hardy survivors.
 
I've never had problems with mine dieing off, but the stuff definitely grows faster if you occasionally cut the stalks off.
 
Hey! Doesn't seem like phosphates, etc...were your problem. Sir Knight seems knowledgeable--sometimes they just die off. I hate that! I'm glad to know they will come back if you keep the rock. There is so much to learn about these crazy corals! I think I'll be bankrupt before I learn it all, though!
 
Double take! These are 2 pics taken during my water change when the surface is still and low and the corals are reflected under the water's surface. Thanks for everyone's input.

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Very cool shots Howard! There's a bit of a reefer kaleidascope thing going on there... It's always interesting how some of the neatest pictures turn up as results of the most random things.
 
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There are several thing"s I"ve noticed about xenia , as far as kill off. Rapid temp change, and or salinity to kill them off. They don`t take to PH shifts real well either. But I`ve also seen random crashes from them as well with no parameters off kilter. But that's something to check or think back on. Anything beyond the normal can cause them to react almost instantly. It's probaly not nitrates, they can withstand a lot of that, to the point were people are using them in fuge's as a sponge. I have noticed increased growth rates on non skimmed or very low skimmed tanks vs heavy skimmed tanks.

Just my 2 cents.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9471144#post9471144 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardCath
Double take! These are 2 pics taken during my water change when the surface is still and low and the corals are reflected under the water's surface. Thanks for everyone's input.

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Wow, cool pics! Sorry about the xenia problem. I think I remember that you have a sump. If so, how come you do water changes out of the main tank? Maybe adding the new mixup water directly to the main tank caused a problem?
 
Xenia is about half gone, but, so far, many stalks remain.

Crumbletop, my last 20% water change was about 3 weeks before the xenia blight began. I drain water from the tank because my sump at floor level would not siphon well. I replace water into the tank because I can't reach to pour into the sump well (and because I never thought about it either!)

I hope Larson and Sir Knight are correct about periodic "natural" die-offs. Mechanism is still a mystery. I'll keep the carbon/resin bag in the sump for awhile.

Thanks for all the comments. Much appreciated!
 
Those pictures make a great desktop... only problem is they are kind of small so they get a little pixel-y

... but we're limited to uploads of only 125 KB, right? I'd gladly email a full picture file, if anyone wants.
 
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