Sustaining good plankton levels.

Attempted to create an air lift, either the design is flawed or the pump is too weak ( I think a little bit of both ).
Do any of you guys out there have some ideas and pictures of high power airlifts?
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Attempted to create an air lift, either the design is flawed or the pump is too weak ( I think a little bit of both ).
Having the right design is going to make a difference. But even then, the flow of water is going to be dictated by the volume of air produced by the air pump. And IMO you are not going to get there with most pet shop pumps. Some of the very biggest might get close, but they are so expensive you'd have been much better off using that money to buy one of the professional pump I linked to earlier. And noise is likely to be a factor with big pet shop pumps too.

Am interested to see what designs you uncover. Maybe someone will post a good one?
 
Having the right design is going to make a difference. But even then, the flow of water is going to be dictated by the volume of air produced by the air pump. And IMO you are not going to get there with most pet shop pumps. Some of the very biggest might get close, but they are so expensive you'd have been much better off using that money to buy one of the professional pump I linked to earlier. And noise is likely to be a factor with big pet shop pumps too.

Am interested to see what designs you uncover. Maybe someone will post a good one?

What do you think about this air pump? http://www.jlaquatics.com/product/ap-hb020/HiBlow+HP+20+Air+Pump.html
 
Now you are talking! That 1.25 CFM (cubic foot/minute) is equivalent to more than 35 LPM (liters/minute). To put it in more familiar terms - that's 560 gallons per hour of air. It's my understanding that no lift pump will move more water than the air it moves. So in a perfect world, that's your maximum flow using that pump. Bottom line, you are starting to get in the ball park.

And apologies if this seems like a broken record (just trying to help) but those Jehmco pumps are awesome, with equivalent capacities, for a lot less money. Don't know if you've worked with Jehmco, but they sell primarily to pet shops, and are super careful about the products they carry. 'Nuff said. ;)

PS - I'm not affiliated with them either. Just a faithful customer for many years.
 
There was an air lift pump, back in the mid 90's, that used pillow sized bubbles instead of normally small bubbles. It required a high volume air pump. I believe that it was patented but never went into full production, probably they couldn't raise enough money for tooling. It supposedly had a fairly high output. Instead of using the bubbles that water can simply slip around as it rises, these pillows fill a 1 inch tube so that nothing can get around it. It is hard to communicate the idea but I will try. I'm not going to error check this so please excuse.

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There are two containers that are used. Both could be made of PVC. The both containers are roughly cup shaped with on that in smaller and placed inside the other. The bigger one(brown) about 4 or 5 inches dia., has holes cut in it for water to enter through and it rests on the bottom of a water column. The second one(black)about 3 inches dia., does not rest on the bottom and fits into a 1 inch plastic tube. This tube goes through the wall of the bigger container at the top and is otherwise sealed.

Air is pumped into the outer cup(white arrow) and it starts to fill downward, pushing the water line with it(highest dotted line). As more air is pumped in, the water line drops below the lip of the small cup, I guess that surface tension resists letting the bubble(s) from bleeding over the edge at first and the water line continues to drop(wavy blue line).

At some point, the surface tension is overcome and the water floods over the edge upward, air the way around the lip of the cup, all at the same time. As the water escapes from the outer chamber, then the water, on the outside line goes back up to the first dotted line while the air inside the smaller cup begins to rise up the walls of the smaller cup (lower blue dotted line). Once again, surface tension doesn't allow the water to break up into little bubbles. Instead, this volume of air forms a pillow of air as it is compressed and driven into the upflow tube.

Then a bubble that 1 inch diameter by some length (1", 2", 5" according to how it was tuned, begins to be lifted up the tube, perhaps one per second or so.

Water flows into the bigger chamber as the pillow goes on its way up the tube and the cycle repeats its self.

I understand that it was hard to tune and the lip ring of the smaller container needed to be closely controlled during fabrication and has to be very level as you would expect. These guy put this in a pool or something so that there was a tall water column and they said that the water shot out like a garden hose as it starts, when there are air bubbles in it. Or like a water machine gun. I believe that their expectation was that you would put this think inside an even larger PVC tube that is capped at the bottom. You would place this behind the tank. It was suppose to work well with good volume but only have above one or two feet of head pressure one is got above the tank's water line.
 
Looks like an awesome concept! :thumbsup: Would love to see one in action. But if it can only lift a couple of feet, you might need a few of these - in progressively higher containers - feeding each other to get water up from a sump to a DT. Or am I missing something? Thanks for posting that BTW - very cool!
 
No you are not missing anything. The longer the water column the better it works so using it for a sump pump would be out of the question. It would be better for replacing power heads in the tank or for feed an ATS that was above the tank but not from floor to tank. Like I said, it never went into production.

An Archimedes Screw is a good idea but it doesn't work that well in practice.
 
Thanks a lot for all the feedback!, this is what this thread is all about.

So far some great ideas have popped up for the plankton friendly pumps.
I think I will go with the traditional airlift, just with a stronger pump.

Here is a cool photo I found which includes geyser pumps, I am not sure if the would be much help in an plankton friendly tank though.
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This is what I am trying to recreate in a my aquarium for everyone wondering, any input or ideas on how I can achieve this in a more "sustainable" way would be awesome.

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I saw the videos of that bubble airlift. Shot way up into the air.

Critter's problem is just lack of air. A longer tube would help too.
 
I know this is grossly inadequate flow, but IF your foray into high flow air lifts does not work out, I've got one of these. If you get model 907-282, you can get about 15 GPH of plankton friendly flow at most any head height you could choose within reason. But as peristaltic pumps go, the motor is pretty loud. If mine were running all the time, I'd put it in some kind of sound muffling box.

Assuming you DO want to continue the airlift path, this RC thread details a high volume airlift that was successful. From what I've read, if you figure it out, you have to be ready to put up with a great deal of noise, and an insane amount of salt creep from salt spray.

And just a little more... here is an off-the-shelf geyser pump that might be what you need. Can find them for less than $150 online, and can give you CRAZY flow at high head heights. Or... this page has other, less powerful offerings.

Interested in where this goes...
 
I have a design in the works that should be simple and functional but youll have to wait till I finish mine, lol
 
I bought a Super Luft Pump SL-65 and I love it. Google it. Rather than buying a pump from China, I got mine from Carson California. Of course it to is made in China as well.

Your model spec.s look a little better than mine, perhaps because it is newer. It is also a little more expensive and draws a little more power but if mine was stolen, I would probably buy one like yours.

As for strength, I don't know. I use it to pump air to the bottom on a 6 foot deep plankton tube in my garage at a strong boil as well as two outputs that are more typical. I think that it has enough to drive several tubes. It puts out a ton of air.
 
Without a published LPM or CFM measurement, there is no way to answer that for this, or any other pump.

In fact, you cannot know what LPM or CFM you need until you know what flow rate you want (GPH), and ALSO know what kind of efficiency your lift pump design will have.

For instance, if you want your lift pump to move 100 GPH, and you think your selected design will have a 50% efficiency (moving 1 volume of water for every 2 volumes of air it pumps), then you'll want an air pump that moves 200 GPH. Since GPH is not a common metric used for the work an air pump does, converting 200 GPH to the more common LPM is 12.6 LPM. Converting that 200 GPH to CFM is 0.45 CFM.
 
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