swmming pool reef
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Folks, there are worse ways to spend your money...
Folks, there are worse ways to spend your money...
I think many of you are being very jugemental (and yes, I know that's a judgement). He's clearly thinking this through and obviously has the money. What he chooses to do with HIS money is, after all, HIS BUSINESS. What a dream to be able to create what we all aspire to in this hobby and be able to go snorkling in it. I work at a reef shop, and we used to service a 2k system, and yep--hopped right in. The only issue was the 6" lion that someone on the outside kept an eye on. Bottom line: this is someone with enough enthusiasm and resources to do it, and most importantly--he's thinking it through. I'm guessing here, but like most people who've contributed to this thread--I am absolutely jealous! The only thing better than watching a beautiful reef tank is, after all, swimming in a natural reef. This is as close as it could get in a home set-up. Wow!! Keep up all your diligent preparation, and someday it'll be a treasure....
Folks, there are worse ways to spend your money...
I think many of you are being very jugemental (and yes, I know that's a judgement). He's clearly thinking this through and obviously has the money. What he chooses to do with HIS money is, after all, HIS BUSINESS. What a dream to be able to create what we all aspire to in this hobby and be able to go snorkling in it. I work at a reef shop, and we used to service a 2k system, and yep--hopped right in. The only issue was the 6" lion that someone on the outside kept an eye on. Bottom line: this is someone with enough enthusiasm and resources to do it, and most importantly--he's thinking it through. I'm guessing here, but like most people who've contributed to this thread--I am absolutely jealous! The only thing better than watching a beautiful reef tank is, after all, swimming in a natural reef. This is as close as it could get in a home set-up. Wow!! Keep up all your diligent preparation, and someday it'll be a treasure....
It's all fun and good to dream big, heck... we all do it from time to time. But there comes a time when one has to stop hitting the snooze button.
Bean is merely offering some cold hard facts with a bit of reality thrown in. I would have done the same if he hadn't beaten me to the punch. Jumping on the bandwagon is easy, even more so when it's not your time or your money that is at stake. And as cool as some may think a project like this would be some of us think it only fair that a person has a chance to hear from both sides of the fence before they start investing time and energy in a potential project.
Personally, if you're dead set on doing this then take Bean's advice and scrap the pool and go back to the drawing board. Come up with a design that is both cost effective and much better engineered. Trying to work around something that was not designed to do what you want it to do is going to be an unecessary waste of both time and money and you're enjoyment level will wind up being compromised in the end.
Brett
Re: Folks, there are worse ways to spend your money...
Re: Folks, there are worse ways to spend your money...
The whole point of asking a question to a forum is to get other peoples' opinions! On this one, I really do have strong view based on years of "pipe dreams"! FOURTEEN YEARS of walking past my own pool, trying to work out if it was feasable!
it would be wrong for people such as myself to simply sit back and let the cries of "go for it!" sway this man into making a huge error!
Re: Folks, there are worse ways to spend your money...
The whole point of asking a question to a forum is to get other peoples' opinions! On this one, I really do have strong view based on years of "pipe dreams"! FOURTEEN YEARS of walking past my own pool, trying to work out if it was feasable!
it would be wrong for people such as myself to simply sit back and let the cries of "go for it!" sway this man into making a huge error!
medic29
Premium Member
I can appreciate such comments. For those that have thought it through; already having the dream and realizing doing this will not work. It is more in the delivery of the information. A person can crush someone else's desire and/or imagination. Again, it is the delivery that is in question, not the content. Heck, maybe he does have the money and will realize that he cannot or that it is not feasable to convert the pool into a reef and may decide to tear out the pool and make a large tank that can be viewed from inside the house. If that is what is trying to be conveyed here is that from previous serious thought and consideration someone else has figured it out that it cannot be done, then great. But again, the delivery stunk. I believe a person could have a huge tank this large and have it stocked, etc. It is just a matter of money; an amount I would never have, but....I'm sure it is possible.
Just think a few years ago the same things were said about being able to keep live corals in such a small amount of water...an aquarium. Look at what we can do now!!
Coffeedolphin I appreciate your imagination and enthusiasm. I am interested in what you do decide to do. Maybe it's not converting the swimming pool into a reef tank, maybe it is making a huge tank in the wall of one room. It is just nice to see others that are excited about bringing one of the beautiful areas of our earth into their living areas.
Just think a few years ago the same things were said about being able to keep live corals in such a small amount of water...an aquarium. Look at what we can do now!!
Coffeedolphin I appreciate your imagination and enthusiasm. I am interested in what you do decide to do. Maybe it's not converting the swimming pool into a reef tank, maybe it is making a huge tank in the wall of one room. It is just nice to see others that are excited about bringing one of the beautiful areas of our earth into their living areas.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Because the guy has mon
Nobody said they did. I don't care if the guys bank account is large enough to gain 30K a week in interest.
Just because somebody has money, does not mean that anything they spend it on is a good idea.
The man posted here probing for information and talking about other sources he has probed or will probe for information. Shall we all just shut up and cheer the guy on, even if we know that we can help him realize his "dream" in a more manageble way?
Good grief... shall we elavate stupidity to some grand level because it is "California"? Yes I said stupidity. Probing for ideas and refining them with good information is not stupid. Standing on the street corner a cheering a guy on for no good reason other than because he has money and lives in California is stupid.
And there lies the problem. Your one of those people who thinks all ideas are good and anybody who speaks the truth about bad ideas is a naysayer or "basher". Anytime anybody has an idea we are all supposed to cheer it on. What rubbish.
Lets step back here. Nobody said it COULDN'T BE DONE. Many of us have said it could be done BETTER and/or CHEAPER. Many of us said that there are much BETTER ways to spend the money and attain the goals. Many of us have said that the hurdles that have to be crossed to pull this off are numerous and do not appear to have been thought about. What don't you understand about that?
So we are clear. The POOL will SUCK as a REEF DISPLAY. The POOL is POOR way to setup an auqaculture business. The POOL would make a good place to store large animals like sharks, but even seaworld has viewable glass panels on their large pool type of tanks.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Medic, 32flavors... and whoever else.
Get over it. Stop being so touchy feely and offended by everything around you. It get's old. I certainly did not attack the OP and certainly do not care what he does with his money. He came here looking for information and I did my best to provide it.
Since when does everything in life need to be delivered with a coating of sugar? You guys really need to think long and hard about the difference between straight out factual dialog and an attack.
Many of you have done nothing but cheer the OP on based solely on feelings, not facts. Who is really doing the man a disservice?
You guys are quick to start accusing people of attacking others, but in reality that is what YOU guys have done becuas you did not like the advice that was given.
Time for a reality check guys.. both in the mirror and with the topic of this thread. Several of you have admited that you do not know what a setup like this would take and it is very obvious that several of you have no clue what it would take. With that being known, you still feel the urge to cheer it on and become disgruntled with anybody who is not onboard with the plan.
Hey the guy is a doctor and lives in California... that makes all of the laws of the universe change and anything goes!
Get over it. Stop being so touchy feely and offended by everything around you. It get's old. I certainly did not attack the OP and certainly do not care what he does with his money. He came here looking for information and I did my best to provide it.
Since when does everything in life need to be delivered with a coating of sugar? You guys really need to think long and hard about the difference between straight out factual dialog and an attack.
Many of you have done nothing but cheer the OP on based solely on feelings, not facts. Who is really doing the man a disservice?
You guys are quick to start accusing people of attacking others, but in reality that is what YOU guys have done becuas you did not like the advice that was given.
Time for a reality check guys.. both in the mirror and with the topic of this thread. Several of you have admited that you do not know what a setup like this would take and it is very obvious that several of you have no clue what it would take. With that being known, you still feel the urge to cheer it on and become disgruntled with anybody who is not onboard with the plan.
Hey the guy is a doctor and lives in California... that makes all of the laws of the universe change and anything goes!
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Musho3210
New member
i actually think this will be a nice reef to look at with some diving equipment, its personal preferance on whether or not it will look nice, you cant say The pool will suck as a reef display since its all down to personal preference, you could say nanos look terrible and no one should get them, but many people think they look nice.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
No he will actually need to place the corals on the bottom of the pool or cover the pool with screening cloth. Even here in western PA on a cloudy day the local guy's greenhouse (with shading cloth) for exceeds any tanks lighting. Without the shading cloth, the light is too intense and the corals will bleach. His pools have maybe 2' of water above the sand bed.
medic29
Premium Member
Because he feels the need to prove he is right and show what he knows....although grammar is not one of them.
I for one don't expect things sugar coated, but I also do not care to have my ideas or thoughts shot down in an attacking fashion. By the way, yes I do know the difference, it happens to be part of my profession, can you say the same?? Oh, I forgot, you will be correct about it so there is nobody else who will be correct. Bean, unfortunately you have this issue with many of your threads. I have yet to see you post anything where you admit you might be wrong. I have seen you post many times where the comments and/or "advice" is rather harsh. Most times this is not necessary. No one has said that realistic information shouldn't be shared. Maybe you should take advice from grandma, if you can't say it nicely, keep it to yourself.
I for one don't expect things sugar coated, but I also do not care to have my ideas or thoughts shot down in an attacking fashion. By the way, yes I do know the difference, it happens to be part of my profession, can you say the same?? Oh, I forgot, you will be correct about it so there is nobody else who will be correct. Bean, unfortunately you have this issue with many of your threads. I have yet to see you post anything where you admit you might be wrong. I have seen you post many times where the comments and/or "advice" is rather harsh. Most times this is not necessary. No one has said that realistic information shouldn't be shared. Maybe you should take advice from grandma, if you can't say it nicely, keep it to yourself.
Bean, you are one bitter person with a very narrow perspective. There was a time when most of what we reefers do was a practical, and therefore ethical, imfeasiability. That changed. Much of what most of us want to do remains financially imfeasable. However, give somebody a big enough well of resources and desire, and you get... well, not to put too fine a point on it: visionaries who achieve that which has yet to been achieved. As a historian, I could post a dissertation in support of this statement, but I really don't have as much time as you... And things are a little different in California in terms of such an undertaking, but only because of the year-round weather. It is diferent than Pitts, PA. Finally, you just keep missing the point: as long as it's done with respect to ethically sustaining the inhabitants, then what does someone with a 200g reef look like compared to someone with 12k g? IT'S NOT YOUR PLACE TO JUDGE!! Pose reasonable questions for consideration, absolutely, but please, stop trying to defend what isn't a position of an absolute but a personal opinion about how someone should expend their resources. You aren't being reasobably helpful in the form of skepticism; you're being unreasonably pessimistic by suggesting that you know something can't or shouldn't be done, when you don't know that it can't and it isn't your place to say with absolute certainty that it shouldn't.
Have a lovely day, Bean.
Have a lovely day, Bean.
ReefArtist
In Memoriam
I have to agree - Oh to have a dream and the dream come true. If you listened to the people above - we would be very boring. DREAM and make that DREAM come alive - just because YOU can't figure out how to do it doesn't mean someone else isn't SMARTER - right? I live in Florida and guess what someone has already done it! They use it to cure rock and it's full of fish - it's very cool and a lot of fun to watch from above. Just because some don't want to see the fish or corals from above - doesn't mean all. You are one person and only one person - some are much smarter - sorry, I'm sure you'll disagree but I really don't care. Again you are only one person. I'm also very sorry that I lowered myself to this - but I could count a lot of threads that this same person did the same thing - logical no. It's been done and the person is using it for their business. If I listened to everyone that said I can't, shouldn't, best not, it's dumb to do etc. I would have nothing and would be nothing!
ReefArtist
In Memoriam
That is how many businesses are started - people say it can't be done.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Good grief. I never said he needed to purchase lighting. I was pointing out that there is more than enough light, so much so that it may be a problem if not accounted for.
