swmming pool reef

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10031953#post10031953 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by medic29
Because he feels the need to prove he is right and show what he knows....although grammar is not one of them.
Ahh when all else fails resort to personal attacks that have nothing to do with the subject and while your at it accuse the other party of being harsh and combative. Classic.

I for one don't expect things sugar coated, but I also do not care to have my ideas or thoughts shot down in an attacking fashion.
Nobody attacked your ideas or thoughts... get over it, unless of course you really do need it sugar coated so that your feelings don't get hurt.

By the way, yes I do know the difference, it happens to be part of my profession, can you say the same??
Ahh trying to take another personal swipe. Typical.

Oh, I forgot, you will be correct about it so there is nobody else who will be correct.
On the contrary, there are many people that are correct. The problem here is not one of right or wrong. The problem here is rather simple. Some of you folks are not grounded in reality but don't want to hear it. To you ANY idea is good and dam anybody who knows enough to not agree.

Bean, unfortunately you have this issue with many of your threads.
Yes I do... there are plenty of folks just like you who can't fathom that somebody may understand more about a subject than they do. There are plenty of folks who think fact and feeling count for the same thing and that any idea or theory is as valid as the next.

I have yet to see you post anything where you admit you might be wrong.
I am wrong all the time, it is how I learn. You have not seen me post I am wrong, because I rarely speak out if I don't have my facts straight.

Take this thread for example. Please go back and tell me where exactly I am wrong regarding this subject? Ohh wait you can't! This is all about your touchy feely need to have things sugar coated and give accolades to anybody who has an idea.

I have seen you post many times where the comments and/or "advice" is rather harsh. Most times this is not necessary.
Like I said, get over it. I did not attack the OP and there were certainly no problems in this thread until the usual suspects showed up complaining about feelings and mean people.

No one has said that realistic information shouldn't be shared. Maybe you should take advice from grandma, if you can't say it nicely, keep it to yourself.
How do you make it through the day if you think my comments regarding this subject were that mean? Are you honestly that thin skinned that a factual dialog would offend you.

This is an utter waste of time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10032327#post10032327 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
Good grief. I never said he needed to purchase lighting. I was pointing out that there is more than enough light, so much so that it may be a problem if not accounted for.

i said they dont need electronical light, you said i was wrong, then after you said i was wrong you said they dont need electronical light? Its a good grief to you that you cant read properly.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10032008#post10032008 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 32flavors
Bean, you are one bitter person with a very narrow perspective.
Haha.. I am not bitter at all and I certainly do not have a narrow perspective.

There was a time when most of what we reefers do was a practical, and therefore ethical, imfeasiability. That changed.
What does that have to do with the subject at hand?

NOBODY SAID HE COULDN'T DO IT. I (WE) just laid out many of the the logistical issues, financial issues and aesthetic considerations. Once these items are all considered, it is fairly easy to come to the conclusion that there are much better routes to take for almost any desired end result. Why is that so hard for some of you to understand?

1) Define the goal
2) Define the budget
3) Build a plan
4) Implement the plan

The man posted here without ANY of the above and instead with a very lose idea to turn a pool into a reef tank. The conversation started to evolve and will continue to evolve. In the meantime the cheerleaders are lining up chanting "just do it, just do it".

This is actually starting to get rather funny.

Much of what most of us want to do remains financially imfeasable. However, give somebody a big enough well of resources and desire, and you get... well, not to put too fine a point on it: visionaries who achieve that which has yet to been achieved.
What does that have to do with the topic at hand? What a bunch of mush.

As a historian, I could post a dissertation in support of this statement, but I really don't have as much time as you...
Your not the only student of history here. This is not a matter of history or innovation. This is not a matter of somebody telling a person it can not be done. It is a simple matter of applying common sense to an idea. I am sure of the guy wants to build a public aquarium in his back yard he could fight like hell to get it done and possibly be successful.

BUT WAIT! He did not say he wanted to build seaworld. He said he wanted to turn his pool into a reef tank. He then mentioned getting financial support by using it for aquarculture. The comments that followed were based on those premises.

Come on guys, fairly simple stuff here. We can do without all the touchy feely stuff.

And things are a little different in California in terms of such an undertaking, but only because of the year-round weather. It is diferent than Pitts, PA.
I never knew that things were different. You see I have never left Pittsburgh, Pa.

Finally, you just keep missing the point: as long as it's done with respect to ethically sustaining the inhabitants, then what does someone with a 200g reef look like compared to someone with 12k g? IT'S NOT YOUR PLACE TO JUDGE!!
Wow you just keep twisting this around and around... why is it that all of these thread with folks such as yourself take the same goofy turn? Who said anything about ethics? Who said anything about judging the guy? What in the world are you talking about?

Pose reasonable questions for consideration, absolutely, but please, stop trying to defend what isn't a position of an absolute but a personal opinion about how someone should expend their resources.
Umm I have posed reasonable information... please show me where I have not?

You aren't being reasobably helpful in the form of skepticism; you're being unreasonably pessimistic by suggesting that you know something can't or shouldn't be done, when you don't know that it can't and it isn't your place to say with absolute certainty that it shouldn't.
I never said it could not be done. I said that once the goals are defined it will be clear that there are much better courses of action, both from a financial standpoint and a logistical standpoint. I have said that some of you are to busy being offended to understand that. I have said that some of you are blindly cheering a guy on without understanding at all what you are cheering for. Pretty simple... you deep thinkers have made it much more complicated than it is.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10032510#post10032510 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Musho3210
i said they dont need electronical light, you said i was wrong, then after you said i was wrong you said they dont need electronical light? Its a good grief to you that you cant read properly.


You are joking right?

You are honestly that confused about the meaning and context of the comments?

What else can I say? If you honestly do not understand the context of what I said then this entire conversation is likely also out of your contextual understanding.

If English is NOT your first language then I can understand that context and meaning from written conversation may be hard to discern.

If on the other hand English is your first language, then you really need to go back and start this thread from the beginning. You may also want to be careful about accusing somebody of not being able to read and garner context, as it is very clear that you are having trouble with even very simple meaning.

FWIW "electronical" is not in the dictionary :)

Anyway, so that there is no confusion:

I did NOT disagree with your comments about needing lights. I said that the sun is likely going to be too bright for shallow laid corals (thus implying) that electric lights would not be needed.

Even with the missing comma and NO context, the meaning of the statement is still rather clear.
 
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So is the main viewing going to be the top-down view or did you plan on installing a window? Either way I think it'll turn out pretty awesome. We have a pond of about 3,500g in our backyard and even with only freshwater fish I can watch it hours on end on a nice sunny day. With saltwater I can only imagine it'd be even more entertaining.

Good luck with your project, if I were in SoCal I'd be over there in a second to help you with this.
 
Can this topic please get back on track! This is unneccessary and is ruining a perfectly good thread. Take your arguements to private message.

Could I possibly suggest... freshwater... I'll probably regret saying that on a reef forum. At least you could run freshwater for a few years and decide whether SW would be an attainable goal. Think of the tankbusters (pacus, catfish, etc.) that you could keep for a while. At least you could get it all set up and if it was a complete failure, you could get out before it became a total waste of money.
 
The freshwater would be a much easier setup from almost every standpoint. From water changes and water chemistry to energy requirements and hardiness, the freshwater system and reef are worlds apart.

I would still be concerned with contamination from pesticides (neighbors) and natural pollutants like pollen and windborn debris. Think about how much foreign material ends up in a swimming pool! This somewhat dictates that the investment needs covered.

Pacus would be very interesting. Large fish would also make for decent top down viewing subjects.

Don't get me wrong... a HUGE reef with a catwalk or two over it would be great as well. I would love to see a guy with a reef big enough to have a real school of fish.

I suppose the OP needs to first outline his goals or dreams. Without those, this is all a travel through wonderland and the side arguments are even more pointless.
 
I think on the scale there may be other problems. such as the durability of a pool.

if its concrete you might get away with it, but if its a vinyl pool, those liners do not last forever, a serious issue here.

the costs would be astonomical at best. the maintnence would be a fulltime job. of which the guy already has; and not exactly a 9 to 5 job at that.

its a bad plan to grow corals for sale. its just not reasonable. you would fit too many frags in a pool lol. the amount of additives you would require to keep up with the growth.

wheres that HUGE fresh water bass tank that guy built in his basement with an Lshaped viewing wall. I realize thats off topic since he's looking to incorporate the pool; but if he's all about a crazy awesome tank, that would be my choice by a long shot.
 
That HUGE freshwater tank was a disaster (in some aspects). If you read the entire history of the tank, the guy has had a LOT of headaches and problems... though he is still pretty happy and appears to have most of the problems worked out over the last 10 years or so.

He appears to have spent millions too... well maybe not millions with an "S" but then again who knows!

Here is the "thread" with some of the information.

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8952
 
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Just for kicks...

Most of that thread is mindless "wow cool tank man" kind of stuff. Someplace the guy used to have a site dedicated to the entire project. Following the thread kind of sucks.

50,000 gallons
10,000 gallon water change every week
600lb sand filter
$1200 per month for electricity (I think he mentioned it is more than double that now)
$1200 per month for gas (he also mentioned that has nearly doubled)
He keeps 1400lbs of frozen food on hand.

Now he does have MANY other "small" tanks and a waterfall and other stuff... interesting read if you have the time to sift through the posts.
 
This is a possible thing.... Ever heard of Bass Pro Shops?
I work for an Aquarium Service company here in Cincinnati, OH.
We have a 23,000 Gallon Aquarium that we take care of for them.
Once a week I SCUBA dive for about an hour in this aquarium to scrub algae. There are 4 Jacuzzi sand filters s well as an eight foot Bio-tower. It is indoor which is a little different.... IT STILL GETS DAMN COLD IN THE TANK DURING WINTER!(55 deg.) We have two of the filters filled with carbon that is changed monthly. :rolleyes: One thing to remember is that a freshwater bass tank and a reef tank are two totally different entities entirely. Pay for my move and give me a salary of Fifty thousand/ yr. and i will hook you up:D
 
OK coffee dolphin, now you've seen what we all think, are you convinced?
'still a viable project?

lets have some spec on the actual swimming pool...
what's it made out of?
what shape? what depth?
how many surface skimmers?
bottom drains or not?
what bore is the pipework?
are the outlets individually valves or is all that pipework under tons of concrete?
is there room to enclose it?
what make is the filtration/pump?
has the pool ever had copper algaecide put in it (most have!)?

lets get this thread back on track... good idea or bad, and why!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10030065#post10030065 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by medic29
Talk about majorily bursting one's bubble!!! Maybe some tact next time???

Relax, it was a joke. Besides, you cannot seem to handle anyone having a different opinion than you. Let the OP get tell people he is offended, if in fact he IS offended...Dont start speaking for other people!

I have read through the whole thread and NO ONE has said its not possible, just that in THEIR opinion its not worth it. Personally, for me, its overkill...why not just skip all the headaches and stick with something around 600G and take all the thousands and make it a very unique and beautifully set up aquarium with the best equipment out there? Something you can just enjoy. How are 1 or 2 foot corals going to look in a pool anyways??? I was just at my local aquarium today and they have 6 foot sps colonies in a tank I would say is about 20, 000G and it looks great but as I said, they are about 6 feet. They also have Plate corals that must be 6 feet plus across...If you can fill a pool with this size corals, then yeah I think it would be awesome to dive in, otherwise...you will be diving amongst a bunch of 2 foot frags.

Having said all that, if he really wants to convert the pool into a saltwater tank, maybe sharks would be nice. But again, I think even that could be done nicer and cheaper in a 12,000 or so gallon tank.

I said it earlier, we had a 400G pond years ago and it was horrible for viewing.

Good luck with whatever you go with!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10024603#post10024603 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by coffeedolphin
if its allowed i'm doing it- but will need help...anyone in socal want to work on a pool reef??

haven't read through the whole thread yet, but definately want to help wand watch this progress...

my wife and I have always dreamed of a sunken tank that is viewable both indoor and outdoor.
 
would be awsome if u dug into the ground and put tunnels around the entire tank under ground and put 2 access stairs from either end.still kept a recangle look, just dug into the ground and put the glass as the wall closest to the water (has to be really thick) and walk the entire way around it and build the glass green house ontop but probably in the very high yearly income have to taken out a morgage type project but very cool...partially underground would keep it cold aswell
 
what's the budget on this project?

0 - $5000,
$5000 - $25000,
$25000 - $50000,
or unlimited?

as I've cleaned my 15 pools for today, I've been looking at how each of them was UNsuitable... here's some stumbling blocks...

pesticides in rain/dust,
run-off from sprinklers taking debris from the lawn/patio into the pool,
extreme water loss in heavy wind (NOT evaporation, I'm talking waves big enough to lose you an inch or two of water in a couple of minutes... it happens here!)

water motion... there's a lot of motion needed to keep the flow around ten tons of liverock! swimming pools simply don't have adequate plumbing to cope with the extra horsepower!
a 15000g pool typically has four outlets on 2" pipes, a couple of skimmers, and a bottom drain; we've all heard believable "urban myths" of the girl who's drowned when her hair gets sucked into the bottom drain... I know where you're most likely to "find nemo"!
you need big pipes to reduce the effects of the suction... your pool won't have them!

basically, if you still are convinced this is the way you want to go, shout now and we're all behind you!

personally I'd be hooking up a cloverleaf and a dirty great OASE, and turning it into a Koi-pond for a total of less than a couple of grand!
 
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