T5 only SPS Tank pictures?

I find that I can run my T5's for years if I want to. However, the actinics lose it after about 12 months. And the other bulbs (aquablue +, & actinic +) will lose it at about 14 months. The spectrums change noticeably.

I'd bet the same is happening with your XM's. Sure you can run them, but they are no way as effective as they were at one month old.

swimmer
 
Masterswimmer where are your pics??? You may have the t-5 experience but what sps experience besides an ORA tort which will do well in almost any system. I notice your pics in the gallery show a lps/softie tank. So IMO your t-5's are more than enough.

I can keep tort very blue at the bottom of my 24" BB tank.My 6 clams are also @ the bottom .

How about a hycanthus table do you have one? How about losiette, purple monster,pink pocci, milles ,Austera's,Birdsnests,pink mille/prostrata. If so please post pics...........

Not saying it can't be done but you show me 10 t-5 lit only sps tanks that are spectactular and I can show you 50 or more mh lit sps tanks that are equal or better.

But the thing is can you find those 10 .

Here I ll give you 2

Danano and Iwan :D
 
T5 is still new here in the states. All new technology is adapted slowly. MH has been used for years.
To make a similar argument I could have shown you a few years ago thousands of computers running Intel processors, and hardly any using AMD, now it's not like that.

You MH people just haven't seen the light yet....literally.

my 2 cents....
 
Pink Birds Nest on the sandbed
Crocea next to it (closed at the time of pic)
Pink Stylophora top left center in the back
Green Acro top center


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Orange cap
Green digitata

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Orange digitata
Derasa

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Green cap (before I raised lights and it colored back up)

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If you take a look at alot of the European tanks where T5 technology has been there for years you will see some of the nicest SPS tanks that exist. Let me dig up some links. Later Ryan
 
I'm not sure if my tank would rate #3 on clkwrk's T5 list but I had great success with T5's before my Jan. crash (GFI Tripped). I'm having the same success now building it right back up. Most of the Acropora you mentioned, I had. Mille's, loisettea, austera, cerealis, divaricata. . . all did great with just T5.
I'm not saying one is better than another, but I agree with masterswimmer, any acropora will do fine with T5.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=728429&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
 
Here are a few of mine to give you an idea of the type of colors I would like a t-5 set to show me . Also if you think I wouldn't like to trade the power and heat from my 5x250 roIII's your crazy but still pictures are worth 1000 words.


NOTE FOR THOSE NOT READING THE ENTIRE POST THIS IS NOT T-5 lit.

Please by all means make me a believer :D
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those acros look great and very healthy clkwrk. I'm thinking of boosting my 30 gallon cube to 250W MH. The ROIII's are DE right?
 
yes they are de's newschool04

ryannat1 If you have been following these posts you will see that I already mentioned his tank............Got any more wild cards up your sleve besides danano's tank ???

Also your statement is t5's and mh's work . I think its mh thrive and t5 alive :D. I am not saying t5's won't work I am looking for pics of t-5 lit tanks with better color than my mh's also with simular corals .
 
clkwrk,

Why are you taking a stand against the T-5's? You've NEVER used them. It's great you can boast success with what you're using, but your opinion of the T-5's is useless.

For the T-5 pimps.............I'll side with clkwk when the same two T-5 setups are trotted out in every T-5 thread. Where's the rest of them? These bulbs have been out plenty long enough for documented results.

I bought a 4-54w setup(overdriven with ice cap ballast & reflectors) a few months back & these things are potent. They bleached out a few frags I had tried with them & I have the lights about 8" off the surface. I haven't really give them a thorough run yet, but I'm of the opinion that any 24" or lower SPS tank will be fine with these bulbs.

I also believe its important to have a bulb every two inches. I don't think you can skimp with them. Sps that aren't under the reach of the reflector will suffer.

Thanks ryannat & masterswimmer
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7427501#post7427501 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Big E
clkwrk,
For the T-5 pimps.............I'll side with clkwk when the same two T-5 setups are trotted out in every T-5 thread. Where's the rest of them? These bulbs have been out plenty long enough for documented results.

Soon to come :). It takes a good year or two for a SPS tank to mature and more if you start with frags. I personally have about 90% SPS in my tank right now under T5. I also use the Zeovit system. The colors on my existing corals are pretty darn good. At the moment I am having some issues with my greens (they are more yellowish) because of a different problem yet to be determined. I have a feeling its being caused by either too much light (not likely) or too little Iron or Potassium (much more likely). I will be getting some iron here in the next day or so and hopefully I will see my greens start turning back to green, rather than yellow/green.
 
Oh and not that my avatar is anything spectacular, but that frag is an oregon tort....I would say it has pretty damn good color if you ask me.....That was just a tiny frag when I got it. Right now it is significantly larger than the picture shows as well....I will take a picture of it and my other acro that is just off the sand bed and you can see for yourself that it is growing quite fast and has great colors...
 
I always love these T5 threads, they all end up the same. They all start with someone considering using T5 on an SPS tank. They all request pictures of T5 lit tanks for references. They all have pictures or links to the awesome T5 tanks in Europe (tanks using $1500+ skimmers and bacterial filtration systems known for keeping nutrients to an almost non-existent level). They all have several picture-less T5 guys in the US (who are not having the success of the Europeans because they lack the water quality) professing how the T5 is brighter than MH (because another T5 user told them it was in his tests). Then, the MH guys start asking for pictures of their tanks and a few trickle in (mostly of smaller recently started tanks that look good but not comparable to the European tanks). Then the T5 users, blame the lack of pictures from US users is because T5 is new to the US market. Isnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t this great!

T5 lighting has been available in the US since 2003. They began being popular in 2004. That is plenty of time for someone to have a beautiful tank by now. Also in that time I think we also realized that 400 watt MH lighting was not a necessity to keep thriving SPS. Remember all the pictures of the beautiful European tanks using the insanely expensive Geismann fixtures with their hammertone reflectors that performed miserably in Sanjayââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s reflector test? Those test results quickly led me to concentrate on water quality over lighting. I think that most successful SPS keepers also now know that water quality is far more important than light intensity.

It is not such a stretch to assume that T5 lighting is good enough to keep thriving SPS. Especially since the majority of people using T5, are doing so in tanks that are under 18ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ in depth. I have played with a par meter and I can say that light plays a small role in the coloration of acro colonies. I have corals on the sand with coloration that looks painted on. Those corals receive light measurements of approx. 100 ppfd. That is very weak when you consider the corals in the top half of the tank are receiving between 900 ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ 500 ppfd.

All these people with these bare bottom tanks are experiencing lightening of acro colonies because of low nutrients. They have even gone so far as to suggest that you need to add nutrients to the tank because the nutrients are so low. Maybe they should consider reducing light by using T5 instead of the 400 watt MH with those super duper reflectors that they have been using. Or better yet cut down their photo period and save a lot on electricity. I have seriously considered adding T5 lighting to supplement my MH. I must say that T5ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s blue plus bulbs really have something that makes acro colony colors pop. I have also seen these same tanks without the T5 supplements and found that the difference is unreal. Unreal to the point I will be adding it to my tank just to get the same effect. I kind of think of it as the magic bulb! Once someone with LED lighting is awarded Tank of the Month on RC, we will then take this argument in yet another direction.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7428965#post7428965 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gcarroll
I always love these T5 threads, they all end up the same. They all start with someone considering using T5 on an SPS tank. They all request pictures of T5 lit tanks for references. They all have pictures or links to the awesome T5 tanks in Europe (tanks using $1500+ skimmers and bacterial filtration systems known for keeping nutrients to an almost non-existent level). They all have several picture-less T5 guys in the US (who are not having the success of the Europeans because they lack the water quality) professing how the T5 is brighter than MH (because another T5 user told them it was in his tests). Then, the MH guys start asking for pictures of their tanks and a few trickle in (mostly of smaller recently started tanks that look good but not comparable to the European tanks). Then the T5 users, blame the lack of pictures from US users is because T5 is new to the US market. Isnââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢t this great!

T5 lighting has been available in the US since 2003. They began being popular in 2004. That is plenty of time for someone to have a beautiful tank by now. Also in that time I think we also realized that 400 watt MH lighting was not a necessity to keep thriving SPS. Remember all the pictures of the beautiful European tanks using the insanely expensive Geismann fixtures with their hammertone reflectors that performed miserably in Sanjayââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s reflector test? Those test results quickly led me to concentrate on water quality over lighting. I think that most successful SPS keepers also now know that water quality is far more important than light intensity.

It is not such a stretch to assume that T5 lighting is good enough to keep thriving SPS. Especially since the majority of people using T5, are doing so in tanks that are under 18ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ in depth. I have played with a par meter and I can say that light plays a small role in the coloration of acro colonies. I have corals on the sand with coloration that looks painted on. Those corals receive light measurements of approx. 100 ppfd. That is very weak when you consider the corals in the top half of the tank are receiving between 900 ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢â‚¬Å“ 500 ppfd.

All these people with these bare bottom tanks are experiencing lightening of acro colonies because of low nutrients. They have even gone so far as to suggest that you need to add nutrients to the tank because the nutrients are so low. Maybe they should consider reducing light by using T5 instead of the 400 watt MH with those super duper reflectors that they have been using. Or better yet cut down their photo period and save a lot on electricity. I have seriously considered adding T5 lighting to supplement my MH. I must say that T5ââ"šÂ¬Ã¢"žÂ¢s blue plus bulbs really have something that makes acro colony colors pop. I have also seen these same tanks without the T5 supplements and found that the difference is unreal. Unreal to the point I will be adding it to my tank just to get the same effect. I kind of think of it as the magic bulb! Once someone with LED lighting is awarded Tank of the Month on RC, we will then take this argument in yet another direction.

The reason you dont see many is that T5 is still not used even close to the extent that MH is used. T5, though it has been around a while is just now becoming accepted as a viable option. The amount of people that are pure SPS are few, and the amount that run pure SPS with T5 are much fewer yet. It is no surprise there are not a ton of tank pictures out there. I would bet there is about 100x as many MH users, thus the large amount of pictures. MH is certainly proven...No doubt about that. I do agree with your statements about water quality though....Water quality and stable water parameters are far more important to SPS tanks than anything else. That being said....T5 is certainly capable of producing tanks that look just as good as MH tanks in most applications.
 
You can read my sig for the setup but I have 6 D@D(3-10k, 3-B+) and I can grow anything even on the sandbed. The only thing is that my blastos and fungia have to be shadded to fully expand. I am keeping 35+ acro colonies and frags.
 
Classic RC response. This is why you guys have people leaving every week. Why does everytime someone asks a question it turns into an arguement. Go back in your hole unless you have T5 setup pics or answers to questions. Later Ryan
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7429540#post7429540 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ryannat1
Classic RC response. This is why you guys have people leaving every week. Why does everytime someone asks a question it turns into an arguement. Go back in your hole unless you have T5 setup pics or answers to questions. Later Ryan
Is this not a discussion forum? Is TacoKing (who is currently running MH) not entitled to those who have differing opinions? It does not have to be a hostile argument. There are those who would recommend that TacoKing use all T5, those that recommend all MH, and those that would recommend a combination of both like me, still others may recommend other lighting systems. From your comment, it appears that you are not prepared to deal with others of differing opinions so you would rather keep their comments out of the discussion. Am I correct or am I getting the wrong impression?
 
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