Tang X 10 / 125

It's easy to read a profile of a fish and then provide a textbook answer on this board. But as we can see here - there is ample evidence that having a larger number of fish changes the rules. Three Tangs may fight but if you double them or triple them teh fighting is over - fighting as in a fish is going to die. With enough filtration and good husbandry you can keep large nmbers of fish. Experience is key and that's why I asked for experienced replies. I just love the photos of the Japanese tanks! Thanks!!

I should also note here: many of these fish take a while to grow to full size. By then you can upgrade your tank or sell fish or give them away if you're loaded LOL

And how many here keep fish for ten years - the same fish!
 
A LFS near me has a 150~200 gallon set up they put yellows in as they sell. Every once in a while you will see one that is just torn apart. Very pale an no fins left. Sometimes is the big one. This idea may be hit or miss at best.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11409672#post11409672 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mwood
A LFS near me has a 150~200 gallon set up they put yellows in as they sell. Every once in a while you will see one that is just torn apart. Very pale an no fins left. Sometimes is the big one. This idea may be hit or miss at best.
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Consider that one torn fellow akin to his cousin that may have been accidentally swallowed by a shark in the ocean LOL

All joking aside. That probably happens in that tank because of the constant shift in peking order.

In an established colony it may be a different story.

great comments guys - thanks a lot!

also, when you make a comment like - "not a good idea" why don't you add some specifics behind your reasoning?
 
Most consider Japanese aquariums of this nature cruel. I have a 210g with great filtration and would never consider having 30 fish......... It seems most will tell you this is not a good idea but of 1 or 2 say its doable you are for it. Come on why even ask if its ok if you are going to do it anyways? ...............................
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11409962#post11409962 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RayAllen
Most consider Japanese aquariums of this nature cruel. I have a 210g with great filtration and would never consider having 30 fish......... It seems most will tell you this is not a good idea but of 1 or 2 say its doable you are for it. Come on why even ask if its ok if you are going to do it anyways? ...............................
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Dude. I mention already that I am not going to setup a tank like this....maybe I'll list the reasons.

1. I don't have the room. All I have is 125 gallon tank and I have different fish in there.
2. I would not go thru the expense of setting up a tank like this unless I had plenty of money to experiment with.

Please, please stop with teh accusations and speculations and does not make you look nice LOL

I'm just in this for the knowledge from others who have tried it.

And dude - spare ME the thing about cruel! If you really love these fish with some Agape love you would leave them in the sea!

How would you like to be caged up in a tank?

Stop the madness. If you say it's cruel - explain in detail why it's cruel - put up or ......needless to say.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11399091#post11399091 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
Simple research would bring up a huge red flag to this. Most people don't put more then 3 tangs in a 125g, just for the lack of space. You'd need a much bigger tank to do 10 plus tangs, no one would be willing to try this, if they actually cared for the fish. I'm not trying to flame or be harsh, but I think this thread/question is a little ridiculous? If you've done the research, I'm sure you've gotten an answer. Again not trying to be an A hole, just seems a little :rolleyes: to me.
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Totally agree..... Why as this question to begin with if you do not actually intend to do this.............. Done with this pointless thread
 
Because Ray - it is interesting to know for me - for many reasons. Curiosity, future posibility, would like to see some pics, just want to here from those whodonit.

Glad you stopped by and enjoy your holidays - don't let the door hit ya LOL

And who knows - maybe others are intersted as well.

Free your fish man and throw them back in the Sea where they belong.

At least I know and confess that I have cut off the posibities of my fish had they remained in the ocean - their true home.

So please, no more preachers:rollface:

EDit: If you put one Tang, One tang in a 600 gallon tank it would not be enough in comparison to the beautiful ocean he came from. That nonsense hypocrisy really psss me off man.

Like I said, if you have something to say like that - back it up with an explaination. Tell me why it's so "cruel".
 
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Ok, I understand where your coming from, sorta. I know what your asking now, glad your not going thru with the "experiment" atleast for now. I don't know why you'd want info on this, unless some point in time you were planning on doing this, but to each his own. I say those Hong Kong fish tanks are cruel because of the amount of fish in such a tight space. I think "experiments" with living creatures, which we all love or we wouldn't be in this hobby is wrong. I agree, I feel horrible having a large angel kept in a 360g tank, but I am going to give all my fish the best home possible, not see how many I can keep alive in the smallest tank possible. You said it's like keeping you in a cage, I agree, now imagine 50 more people in a cage, you can barely move, you'll never be able to have your own space (a fishes territory/home). That is a lot more cruel, don't you agree? I would love to stock my 360g with 100 fish, but I just won't, even if they all get along and survive, I am not a supporter of the Hong Kong tanks. I bet a lot of those fish end up dying, but they have endless amount of money to keep restocking it. I am going to try to mix a few angels and tangs, they say you can't do it going by the textbook, but not everyone follows the book. There's a fine line between thinking outside the box and just getting greedy and inhumane.
 
PepShrimp!

Thanks for your explanation and being frank - it is much appreciated and the kind of dialogue that serves purpose and I respect your opinion and it has good points.

Now, examine for a moment. Yellow Tangs are known to school. So what if we just create a school (colony) in our own tanks? They may actually be just fine with this. In my experience with both fresh and saltwater fish - fish absolutely hate being alone. It freaks them out. Everytime I have placed a fish or two in a tank all by themselves - they would behave totally different then when they have more companions. Heck - I feel so bad when I start a tank with just one fish or two after its cycled of course - I should not have to mention that but the way things are going I have to CMA on everything I say. So these fish look so stressed and terrified being alone. Now when you look at a tank that is full of fish WALLA a whole different ballgame. Now they say surgeon fish are called that because of their tail bone and so you get the impression that they are natural born killers and haters of one another. But perhaps the "my territory" mode goes away when they see they are just part of the collective. again, proper filtration and aquascaping is probably all that is needed to keep a succesful school of tangs and angels.

Edit: Now, does anyone care to share some more pics of these kinds of tank setups? :D
 
60 fish in a 300 and the rocks/glass look way better than most tanks with a fraction of the fish! Damn, I QUIT!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11411310#post11411310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by danorth
60 fish in a 300 and the rocks/glass look way better than most tanks with a fraction of the fish! Damn, I QUIT!
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Oh come on LOL Im rolling on the floor but I know what you mean.

That sort of thing is done with African cichlids all of the time - so what makes salt any different?
 
Freshwater fish are often packed together, just like at the fish hatcheries but it may be for only certain kinds of fish. I've seen the sardine tank exhibit at Monterey Bay Aquarium and there are a ton of fish in there in a very tight group. But that is natural I guess as they are in nature. Perhaps a yellow tang tank isn't as bad of an idea as many think. The number of fish vs. tank size is the issue, but I bet it could work as it is in nature. Again, when the fish get to a certain size, it may be time to move them on. My parents went to HI and was told at one of their aquariums there that yellow tangs live for 40 years. If that is correct.....wow. But I am not sure 10 would live 40 years in a 125. 240 8' tank......maybe?
 
Danorth - you make a very good point on age and size of tang versus size of tank. but I bet most people switch their fish like they do their sneakers. I seriously doubt most of us will hang on to a fish for even 20 years. We would get bored and move on. and I think one needs to keep this behaviour of ours in mind. If I would have setup a tank like this it might last three years and then I'd move on.
 
Perhaps, or you get another tank going and start a different angle/addiction.

I couldn't imagine having a fish for 40 years, hell I may not be able to lift a bucket in 40 years! Who knows.....but some fish keepers do keep their fish for the long haul, some flip them like a house as if it was still 2004.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11413640#post11413640 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by danorth
Here is a good read about tons of fish and rock making for apparently happy fish:

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/volume_4/V4I3/angelfish/Angelfish.htm
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Yeppers there ya go. And what does it take? Lots of time and money. The very reason why I would not try it. But I started the thread to see if others would share that are trying it!

Excellent read thanks danorth!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11414272#post11414272 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by danorth
Yeah no sweat. Did you see the part about 100 gal a week minimum change!!!
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Yep! I saw it but not for me! LOL

Well - I didn't get much of any pics on an all Yellow Tang tank but I know they are out there. And just like this guy has managed to put in a bunch of Angels and Tangs I'm sure that the same could be done with a school of Yellow Tangs.
 
That angel tank is nothing but an experiment. There is no long term success. It's been set up for 8 months. I'd be willing to bet more than half those fish haven't been in there for 3-4 months.

I went to the web cam site & the link doesn't work. It's about six months since that article was written........I'd like to read an update.

I've seen hypo wreak havoc on some fish kept this way past three months. Skin sores, swim bladder , general declining health, & death have been issues I've personally seen. Again, the tank has been set up for 8 months. Not all the fish have been in hypo for 8 months.

If the fish were quarintined like they are supposed to be there is no reason the system can't be disease free at normal salinity.

As far as the tang tank, I think it can be done given the right size to match the population. A 125g is definatley too small for ten tangs.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11424153#post11424153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Big E
That angel tank is nothing but an experiment. There is no long term success. It's been set up for 8 months. I'd be willing to bet more than half those fish haven't been in there for 3-4 months.

I went to the web cam site & the link doesn't work. It's about six months since that article was written........I'd like to read an update.

I've seen hypo wreak havoc on some fish kept this way past three months. Skin sores, swim bladder , general declining health, & death have been issues I've personally seen. Again, the tank has been set up for 8 months. Not all the fish have been in hypo for 8 months.

If the fish were quarintined like they are supposed to be there is no reason the system can't be disease free at normal salinity.


As far as the tang tank, I think it can be done given the right size to match the population. A 125g is definatley too small for ten tangs.
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Agreed.
 
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