marcusbacus
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Is there a tang species that is less prone to have ich or all can be affected the same way?
Tangs and Ich
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rachenbrazil
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One that you treat and adapt in quarantine tank.
marcusbacus
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This is not exactly the meaning of my question, but oh well, I should have been clearer.
If you have say 10 tangs all properly quarantined, but place them all in an infected tank or under stressful conditions... will they be ich free just because they were quarantined? Absolutely not!... Some might be (or not?) prone to get infected faster than others (due to a lot of reasons, I suppose, and could species be one of these reasons?). If they are exposed to the pathogen, they have a good chance to get infected again, even being previously quarantined, IMHO.
If you have say 10 tangs all properly quarantined, but place them all in an infected tank or under stressful conditions... will they be ich free just because they were quarantined? Absolutely not!... Some might be (or not?) prone to get infected faster than others (due to a lot of reasons, I suppose, and could species be one of these reasons?). If they are exposed to the pathogen, they have a good chance to get infected again, even being previously quarantined, IMHO.
marcusbacus
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Thanks. I've also read that the Achilles is probably the worst, along with the gold rim. Also I read about the orange shoulder as well.
My intention isn't in any way to bypass a quarantine by picking up a more resistant specimen, it was just a curiosity to know if there was sort of a natural immunity or something in certain species.
My intention isn't in any way to bypass a quarantine by picking up a more resistant specimen, it was just a curiosity to know if there was sort of a natural immunity or something in certain species.
Agreed
Well if you quarantine all your fish properly, you wont have to worry about ich. And why would you introduce fish to an ich full system? That seems illogical from a responsible reef keepers perspective.
marcusbacus
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Where did I say I would do this myself? I quoted this situation as an hipothetical situation just to exemplify that because a fish was quarantined it's not disease-free forever, is it? Quarantine isn't a cure-all method IMHO. I wouldn't say that because the fish was quarantined that I shouldn't worry about ich or any other disease. There are many stories of tanks with dormant diseases just waiting for the proper fish (ok, let me guess, you will say "not quarantined" again...) to be there to reappear.
First off, a hypothetical question is just that. Hypthetical. There are too many variable that need to be determined for an accurate response. Whether or not you said do this yourself the situation your describing is an irresponsible one whether you do it or someone else.
And you only said ich. You didnt mention other diseases.
Your question is too vague. And then you want to throw in other diseases. There is too much missing information.
So back to your original question....you throw a tang into a tank with ich....youre going to get ich sooner or later. Just the way it is.
Now you wanna discuss other diseases, then those need to be given the situation for them.
Its like saying if I use this oil, will my car start again? There are too many things to consider.
marcusbacus
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Oh Big Bang Almighty, wish me luck. My original question doesn't seem to have been understood I guess, and I've been quoted as irresponsible immediately by some. The answer "it's impossible to determine that" or a simple "no" would be a much simpler and effective answer, but if you want to be picky, so be it.
I'm not going to start a war over this or the efficiency of quarantines and whatnot. I just simply asked: is there any tang species - (as they seem to have been infected with this *specific* disease a lot) - that might be infected more/faster than others, considered they have been (obviously!) exposed to the disease at some point (or else they wouldn't get sick at all in the first place, correct?) and most of the times, it's implicit that they've been unintentionally exposed (unless the person in question is the evil me, I guess)?
What if I had asked the same, but for brooklynella and clownfish instead - is there any species of clownfish that is more prone to get it than others? It's the "same" question ("it's a different disease and different fish yadda yadda"), and it's simple to be answered I guess and the main point here isn't the quarantine but the natural/acquired resistance of the fish, if there is any (can I be clearer than this?). If the answer is no because there are too many factors involved as it seems that is the correct answer for both questions, just say it and please don't give me lessons about "responsability" or how to proper quarantine my fish, this was not the intention when I asked the first question which is not about that, either.
A possibly technical question (and a plain curiosity on my part) became a question about bioethics, it seems.
I'm not going to start a war over this or the efficiency of quarantines and whatnot. I just simply asked: is there any tang species - (as they seem to have been infected with this *specific* disease a lot) - that might be infected more/faster than others, considered they have been (obviously!) exposed to the disease at some point (or else they wouldn't get sick at all in the first place, correct?) and most of the times, it's implicit that they've been unintentionally exposed (unless the person in question is the evil me, I guess)?
What if I had asked the same, but for brooklynella and clownfish instead - is there any species of clownfish that is more prone to get it than others? It's the "same" question ("it's a different disease and different fish yadda yadda"), and it's simple to be answered I guess and the main point here isn't the quarantine but the natural/acquired resistance of the fish, if there is any (can I be clearer than this?). If the answer is no because there are too many factors involved as it seems that is the correct answer for both questions, just say it and please don't give me lessons about "responsability" or how to proper quarantine my fish, this was not the intention when I asked the first question which is not about that, either.
A possibly technical question (and a plain curiosity on my part) became a question about bioethics, it seems.
I understood your question perfectly. Different circumstances are going to yield different results.
I guess the best way to answer it is this. A well established tang (eating, fat, in captivity for a long time) will be the most resistent to ich. No guarantees though.
I guess the best way to answer it is this. A well established tang (eating, fat, in captivity for a long time) will be the most resistent to ich. No guarantees though.
You took offense to my "irresponsible" statement....in which I never called you that. If I was going to, I would say it directly. I have no need to sugar coat anything.
With that said, yes there are many variables. Where did the fish come from? Was it caught with cyanide? Is it tank raised or wild caught? Has it even been treated with copper? Any defects internally?
But if you are going to add a tang to a tank that is known to have ick....that isnt a wise decision.
With that said, yes there are many variables. Where did the fish come from? Was it caught with cyanide? Is it tank raised or wild caught? Has it even been treated with copper? Any defects internally?
But if you are going to add a tang to a tank that is known to have ick....that isnt a wise decision.
marcusbacus
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Pfft. I give up.
I dont see why....it was something you asked.
marcusbacus
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Of course how a fish was caught and treated before getting into our tanks have a great impact on not only ich but its overall health and resistance and life expectance, and this also includes the time it has spent in captivity previously as well (and if it was healthy or sick at any point in this captivity period, if it ate well, etc.), but what about wild fish? Are there species that can be more affected in their natural environment without the "unhealthy" captivity factor in the equation? Have fish bred in captivity (are there tangs like that? I really don't know) became more immune or at least more resistant?
I'm not sure why you are quoting me. I didn't say anything about how fish were captured or treated. IMO any recently caught fish will be more susceptible to ich than an established one.
Sandia97
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Marcusbacus I think it's a good question. If you look at the tang description for Blue Tang on Liveaquaria.com it says:
" Careful observance of the Blue Tang is essential; as it is more susceptible to lateral line disease, fin erosion, ich and other skin parasites than many other fish."
To my knowledge none of the other tang descriptions have this warning (but obviously this doesn't mean they don't get sick) so I would say the blue/hippo tang is the most susceptible of them all.
" Careful observance of the Blue Tang is essential; as it is more susceptible to lateral line disease, fin erosion, ich and other skin parasites than many other fish."
To my knowledge none of the other tang descriptions have this warning (but obviously this doesn't mean they don't get sick) so I would say the blue/hippo tang is the most susceptible of them all.
marcusbacus
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But you said about them in captivity, and how they are captured and treated is an important part.
marcusbacus
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Read back more carefully: curiosity. No, I don't plan on having tangs if this is what you meant, my tank can't even afford one.
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