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Liquid Hobby
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Thanks for the props! Maybe goodness will come from this thread for the OP.
This guy's a joke. People have told him in the past and he says he cares, but he obviously doesn't. It disgusts me that people think they can experiment and learn on the fly with fish, just because they are fish. If this was a dog or cat this guy would be reported. He claims he doesn't want to be flamed for his mistakes, only how to rectify them. But when he gets sound advice, he only goes out and makes things worse.
This disgusts me. Have some respect for the creatures you keep and the humility to know when you made a mistake.
This disgusts me. Have some respect for the creatures you keep and the humility to know when you made a mistake.
lacosta28
Premium Member
HAHA
Might as well throw a trigger and a lionfish in there too. Just bring whatever looks cool at the LFS home with you. He should have that in his signature.
mallorieGgator
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Here is an update on my tank guys, im 2 months into the game now.
Next items up, a protein skimmer, and some more coral.
So far I only have the mushrooms you see at the bottom left which are doing great.
Looks much better here! I would recommend feeding a little phyto here and there if that is a sea apple (the sea cucumber you have) because if it starves to death, they will nuke your tank. The colored ones are especially bad with the toxins. Also, the arrow crab can also be trouble. And I would trade in the large hermit crabs for some nice smaller blue legs and scarlette leg hermits. Other than that, it looks good and just don't add any more fish for quite some time. You can add all the corals ya want.
mallorieGgator
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You guys are being pretty rude to this guy. He needs advice, if he takes it or not is his problem but don't jump down his throat. Geesh.
mallorieGgator
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Now, 11:11, You can keep simple corals in this tank with a HOB filter and no skimmer (zoas, green star polyps, xenia, and most soft corals). Howeverm to successfully keep something like goniopora requires pristine water conditions, adequate lighting, and good water flow. Many experienced reef keepers can't even keep goniopora for a year or two without it slowely going down hill. So, here's what I think you should do:
1.Realistically, with the setup you have now, you shouldn't be keeping stony corals. Soft and leathers and most likely best. You could try a stony coral if you want but you WILL need a protein skimmer. Protein skimmers are made to help remove protein build up in the tank, detritus(which can lead to high phosphates which inhibits coral growth), and also help keep levels in check.
2.Do some research on the corals you like a be real with yourself on if you can keep them or not. If not, you may want to look into getting you tank drilled and investing in a sump and better lighting.
3. You have enough fish now after I looked through your posts and saw the new pictures. The coral beauty angel is known to nip and eat coral polyps. Just fyi. The fish WILL grow to fill out the tank. Do some research on the size the get and suggested tank size. Scott Michael has a great pocket book on Reef Aquarium Fishes 500+ essential to known species. It's a GREAT book to have and I highly recommend it. All the fish you have in your tank now are in the book including how to care for them and some of their basic needs.
4. Also, I read some talk on getting a scooter blenny. Don't do this. Some people can keep them but without a refugium, there is no way to replenish depleted live food into your tank which is what all dragonettes feed on. If you want a scooter blenny, upgrade to a larger tank (a 75 gallon) with a refugium.
5. Research! Take people's advice here! If everyone is telling you the same thing, you should listen.
6. People are telling you to slow down because you're only a few months in with your tank and you have a large bioload(a lot of waste being produced). There are aerobic and anaerobic (oxyen using, and non-oxygen using) bacteria in your tank. The aerobic are more than likely ok in your tank but the anaerobic take longer to populate. The aerobic break waste (fish poo and excess food) from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate. The nitrate will accumulate in your tank (especially without the skimmer) and it is toxic at certain levels. Worste case is that your bacteria can't digest all the waste and you have an ammonia spike which can kill more sensitive animals in the tank and make the others miserable. The anaerobic(which is what you don't have enough of yet) will take the nitrate and break it down into NO2 gas which can float to the surface of your tank and into the air so there isn't any nitrate in the system.
1.Realistically, with the setup you have now, you shouldn't be keeping stony corals. Soft and leathers and most likely best. You could try a stony coral if you want but you WILL need a protein skimmer. Protein skimmers are made to help remove protein build up in the tank, detritus(which can lead to high phosphates which inhibits coral growth), and also help keep levels in check.
2.Do some research on the corals you like a be real with yourself on if you can keep them or not. If not, you may want to look into getting you tank drilled and investing in a sump and better lighting.
3. You have enough fish now after I looked through your posts and saw the new pictures. The coral beauty angel is known to nip and eat coral polyps. Just fyi. The fish WILL grow to fill out the tank. Do some research on the size the get and suggested tank size. Scott Michael has a great pocket book on Reef Aquarium Fishes 500+ essential to known species. It's a GREAT book to have and I highly recommend it. All the fish you have in your tank now are in the book including how to care for them and some of their basic needs.
4. Also, I read some talk on getting a scooter blenny. Don't do this. Some people can keep them but without a refugium, there is no way to replenish depleted live food into your tank which is what all dragonettes feed on. If you want a scooter blenny, upgrade to a larger tank (a 75 gallon) with a refugium.
5. Research! Take people's advice here! If everyone is telling you the same thing, you should listen.
6. People are telling you to slow down because you're only a few months in with your tank and you have a large bioload(a lot of waste being produced). There are aerobic and anaerobic (oxyen using, and non-oxygen using) bacteria in your tank. The aerobic are more than likely ok in your tank but the anaerobic take longer to populate. The aerobic break waste (fish poo and excess food) from ammonia to nitrite to nitrate. The nitrate will accumulate in your tank (especially without the skimmer) and it is toxic at certain levels. Worste case is that your bacteria can't digest all the waste and you have an ammonia spike which can kill more sensitive animals in the tank and make the others miserable. The anaerobic(which is what you don't have enough of yet) will take the nitrate and break it down into NO2 gas which can float to the surface of your tank and into the air so there isn't any nitrate in the system.
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mallorieGgator
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The first question:
Protein skimmer take excess waste from the tank. Without them, waste floats around the tank and causes increased phosphates. It is well known that phosphates will cause decreased coral growth and at high levels, cause stress in more sensitive corals
Second Question:
With that being known (about the skimmers and phosphates), goniopora is VERY sensetive to high phosphates and comes from pristine waters. Nutrients and different then what you think. Goniopora needs the same quality food your fish do. You wouldn't feed your fish detritus that's floating around in the tank right? Also, the main things your goniopora need are correct lighting (which yours looks very bleached so it's either getting too much light or is highly stressed or both) to photosynthesize, calcium (around 440), Alk (around 9), and magnesium (around 1440). Those are the "nutrients" your corals need, not dirty water.
mallorieGgator
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Sorry for so many posts but I'm not even sure this is goniopora.
This: http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=597+321+466&pcatid=466 is goniopora.
Peter T
Gallantly Forward
Crawl, walk, run... sounds very familiar lol... "You are a no-go at this station. At this time, go to the end of the station to conduct concurrent training. You have one hour to re-test."
If it doesn't sound familiar to you, don't worry about it. It just reminded me of things
Btw, nice tank Liquid Hobby!
If someone took this post as a derisive comment, I apologize. It is about how Liquid Hobby's crawl, walk, run comment reminded me of something called the EIB course I took years ago. It brought back good memories
Ethan_W
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btw i dont know if anyone told you yet but the blue light isnt a moonlight. it's the Actinic light which promotes the growth of Zoaxanthellae algae, essential for the growth and well-being of all photosynthetic corals and invertebrates.
during the day you should always have both bulbs on at the same time. if you want you can turn off the daylight bulb and just leave the actinic on for an hour or 2 at night, but it shouldnt be ran 24/7
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
Looks like a goni to me. What would you suggest it is?
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israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
I agree. If you give someone advice with rudeness and sarcasm, that advice will likely go unheard.
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C0rp
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the advice given kindly was unheard as well...this guy has a freakin sea apple in a tank 2 months old. Here is some advice for you...go buy a book that teaches you the things you obviously need to know. May I suggest “the conscientious marine aquarist” by Robert Fenner? For the well being of your tanks inhabitants PLEASE spare a few hours and read.
lisafoster
so much to learn
That is goniopora I don't know if that light color is accurate if so it looksbleached the green goniopora has a very poor survival rate maybe 6 months. Weallmake mistakes when starting I have made plenty of them. It is frustrating when someone has been getting advice for a month and does not take any of it. Sometimes we need to learn lessons the hard way in this hobby.
mallorieGgator
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The more I looked at it the more I feel comfortable saying it's a bleached goniopora and it's reaching for the light which is why it's skirt is so long IMO.
israel.kendall
Padawan Reefer
I've seen some wild collected gonis come through on some web sites lately with long skirts like that so I'm not sure about it reaching for light or if its a natural variation.
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