I'm just getting ready to upgrade to a 92 gal corner reef ready tank with a sump....I had a 75 gal with crushed coral & really don't want large particle substrade....I understand if I order "the package" I have to take the sand that comes with it....What I really want is OOLIC sugar sized sand with indo pacific mini stars & nass snails, copods, etc....Please advise what would be the issues or problems to buy the sand I want (DSB) & just order my rock from TBS.....Is there something I am missing????
Tbs & Dsb Oolic Sand?????
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reefnetworth
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you dont want sugar sand or the crushed coral. correct!
neither one has the surface area as say...Fiji pink, or some brand of simular size grain will work best for ya' for the benificial bactreial field you will want to have in a DSB.
TBS from what ive seen has some nice rock but its aquacultured, you do know its not true LR correct?
neither one has the surface area as say...Fiji pink, or some brand of simular size grain will work best for ya' for the benificial bactreial field you will want to have in a DSB.
TBS from what ive seen has some nice rock but its aquacultured, you do know its not true LR correct?
reefnetworth
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sugar will not allow the sulfuric gases to escape through it beacuse its to fine, plus it has less surface area for bacteria to live. youve heard of tank crashes? that is usually the main reason. the gas builds up and if it escapes a large enough quanity
it cant escape the tank fast enough, so it overcomes available oxygen and it kills everything. CRASH!!!
i dont like to talk negative about sponsors, but youre paying high dollar for concrete that has been sitting in the ocean for a few months curing.
IMO, Fiji, Kaelini and more pourous LR, which has calcium carbonate (CaC03) which helps maintain your parameters more stable than solid concrete. TBS is heavier which means you get less size also
my opinion is my own and does not reflect that of Reef Central or any of its sponsors.
it cant escape the tank fast enough, so it overcomes available oxygen and it kills everything. CRASH!!!
i dont like to talk negative about sponsors, but youre paying high dollar for concrete that has been sitting in the ocean for a few months curing.
IMO, Fiji, Kaelini and more pourous LR, which has calcium carbonate (CaC03) which helps maintain your parameters more stable than solid concrete. TBS is heavier which means you get less size also
my opinion is my own and does not reflect that of Reef Central or any of its sponsors.
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<<< TBS from what ive seen has some nice rock but its aquacultured, you do know its not true LR correct? >>>
Where did you come up with that one??? LOLOLOL
<<< plus it has less surface area for bacteria to live. youve heard of tank crashes? that is usually the main reason. >>>
Huh??? Way, way off.
<<< i dont like to talk negative about sponsors, but youre paying high dollar for concrete that has been sitting in the ocean for a few months curing. >>>
Obviously you've never seen and no nothing whatsoever about TBS aquacultured live rock to make a 100% incorrect and ignorant statement like that.
Where did you come up with that one??? LOLOLOL
<<< plus it has less surface area for bacteria to live. youve heard of tank crashes? that is usually the main reason. >>>
Huh??? Way, way off.
<<< i dont like to talk negative about sponsors, but youre paying high dollar for concrete that has been sitting in the ocean for a few months curing. >>>
Obviously you've never seen and no nothing whatsoever about TBS aquacultured live rock to make a 100% incorrect and ignorant statement like that.
reefnetworth
Premium Member
roughly 1/16 of an inch for a typical DSB that will work properly is usually 3-4 inches in depth.
reefnetworth
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this is America HowardW and we are allowed our on opinion.
i have seen held and know of people who own it. JMO!
i have seen held and know of people who own it. JMO!
reefnetworth
Premium Member
BTW, calling someone ignorant!!! shows your own!!!
<<< this is America HowardW and we are allowed our on opinion.
i have seen held and know of people who own it. JMO! >>>
Saying that TBS rock is concrete that has been sitting in the ocean for a few months is NOT an opinion, it's a statement of material fact.......and in this case you are 100% incorrect.
If you've seen someones tank filled with concrete I can assure you it was not rock from TBS, and it does not 'cure' in the ocean for a few months but several years. You should have some actual facts in hand before making false and derogatory statements in a sponsors own forum.
i have seen held and know of people who own it. JMO! >>>
Saying that TBS rock is concrete that has been sitting in the ocean for a few months is NOT an opinion, it's a statement of material fact.......and in this case you are 100% incorrect.
If you've seen someones tank filled with concrete I can assure you it was not rock from TBS, and it does not 'cure' in the ocean for a few months but several years. You should have some actual facts in hand before making false and derogatory statements in a sponsors own forum.
reefnetworth
Premium Member
stick to what ever floats your boat or sinks your ship, its not true LR, created in the ocean.
its created by a human, loaded onto a boat and driven to a privetly used/leased part of the ocean. droped in the ocean and allowed to release toxins into the ocean so it can cure.
i guess i know something about it, and thats not all i know!!!
its created by a human, loaded onto a boat and driven to a privetly used/leased part of the ocean. droped in the ocean and allowed to release toxins into the ocean so it can cure.
i guess i know something about it, and thats not all i know!!!
reefnetworth
Premium Member
ive researched it...im done...
have a nice evening!
have a nice evening!
reefnetworth, The more you post on this subject the bigger the fool you are making yourself look. You just don't have a clue what you're talking about regarding TBS live rock...
1) It's not concrete.
2) It's not man made
3) It doesn't cure in the ocean for a few months
Perhaps you could also please explain in detail exactly what toxins TBS rock releases into the Gulf as it 'cures'.
If you would like to educate yourself regading this type of rock I suggest you go to the TBS website where it fully explains what the base material is that's used and how long it stays in the water.
1) It's not concrete.
2) It's not man made
3) It doesn't cure in the ocean for a few months
Perhaps you could also please explain in detail exactly what toxins TBS rock releases into the Gulf as it 'cures'.
If you would like to educate yourself regading this type of rock I suggest you go to the TBS website where it fully explains what the base material is that's used and how long it stays in the water.
reefnetworth
Premium Member
i meant to ask one question before i went sorry.
how does TBS create the cellular and skeletal structure of its corals.
and why have i read so many post on RC about people being upset about Pistol Shrimp being in their TBS?
i feel better know...
thank you for your time, and attention and your crude remarks!!!
you have definatly shown you intelligene also...
GOD created the the LR in the ocean, and man seems to be doing everything he can to match his perfect and natural ballance.
and by saying were not taking from the reef doesnt constitute the fake rock theory!
MY OPINION IS MY OWN, AND NOT THAT OF REEF CENTRAL OR ANY OF ITS SPONSORS.
how does TBS create the cellular and skeletal structure of its corals.
and why have i read so many post on RC about people being upset about Pistol Shrimp being in their TBS?
i feel better know...
thank you for your time, and attention and your crude remarks!!!
you have definatly shown you intelligene also...
GOD created the the LR in the ocean, and man seems to be doing everything he can to match his perfect and natural ballance.
and by saying were not taking from the reef doesnt constitute the fake rock theory!
MY OPINION IS MY OWN, AND NOT THAT OF REEF CENTRAL OR ANY OF ITS SPONSORS.
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reefnetworth
Premium Member
the same gulf GOD keeps striking down HowardW?
if they could do such wonderful things within their own man made ocean, why do they use the ocean GOD built?
because they cant, that is what i was trying to avoid in the beginning of this post by sayin: "its not real LR".
i didnt want to bring religious believes into this environment because so many PC people may have opposit opinions.
if they could do such wonderful things within their own man made ocean, why do they use the ocean GOD built?
because they cant, that is what i was trying to avoid in the beginning of this post by sayin: "its not real LR".
i didnt want to bring religious believes into this environment because so many PC people may have opposit opinions.
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reefnetworth
Premium Member
nothing left for me to say, its not worth getting kicked off of RC.
hi, just wanted to post my .02 to the original poster's comment, i have no desire to get in between the posting war that is going on right now.
I ordered TBS rock about 2 weeks ago. Yes the rock was collected and dumped on a private water lease. However, the rock (at least the rock i have received) is in fact real fossilized coral rock. Going over each piece of rock i see an incredible amount of porosity and each piece when I received it was absoutley teeming with all types of life. This is my very first tank, but the cycling process could not have been easier. My tank completely cycled in 5 days with ammonia not going over 0.50 at any time, and I only made ONE 10% water change, die-off was very minimal due to the fact that it spends virtually zero time out of water including being completely submerged during transit.
Yes you will get some hitchikers, but no risk = no reward. There is no other way to describe it other than to say the amount of life on the rock is unbelievable, something that needs to be seen rather than described. Obviously you need to make your own choice, although TBS is not the cheapest around I do it again in a heartbeat.
As for your original question about whether TBS rock is compatible with non TBS sand, as long as the sand is actual live sand and not just "bag sand" I think it is probably doable.
My understanding on DSB was that the finer the sand grain the better, as it is easier for sand sifting animals to move a greater volume of sand. Greater sand turnover rate = greater water throughput. I can't find the article right now, but there is one regarding DSB and a comparison of sand particle sizes somewhere on here.
Hope this helps!
I ordered TBS rock about 2 weeks ago. Yes the rock was collected and dumped on a private water lease. However, the rock (at least the rock i have received) is in fact real fossilized coral rock. Going over each piece of rock i see an incredible amount of porosity and each piece when I received it was absoutley teeming with all types of life. This is my very first tank, but the cycling process could not have been easier. My tank completely cycled in 5 days with ammonia not going over 0.50 at any time, and I only made ONE 10% water change, die-off was very minimal due to the fact that it spends virtually zero time out of water including being completely submerged during transit.
Yes you will get some hitchikers, but no risk = no reward. There is no other way to describe it other than to say the amount of life on the rock is unbelievable, something that needs to be seen rather than described. Obviously you need to make your own choice, although TBS is not the cheapest around I do it again in a heartbeat.
As for your original question about whether TBS rock is compatible with non TBS sand, as long as the sand is actual live sand and not just "bag sand" I think it is probably doable.
My understanding on DSB was that the finer the sand grain the better, as it is easier for sand sifting animals to move a greater volume of sand. Greater sand turnover rate = greater water throughput. I can't find the article right now, but there is one regarding DSB and a comparison of sand particle sizes somewhere on here.
Hope this helps!
I spent about 3 hours today sitting in front of my tank which only holds Part 1 of TBS rock and sand so far. It's been in my tank for approximately 2 weeks. I can't imagine spending that much time sitting in front of my other tank which contains "live" rock from my LFS. Just this evening, I saw:
barnacles
sponges
crabs
tunicates
red algae
green algae
coraline
jewel box clam
sea squirt
spaghetti worms
feather dusters galore
snails
corals
and so many more things that I can't identify.
This rock is teeming with life and it is an ever-changing slide show. It is truly fascinating to watch the color and life of this rock. The only way to see something more alive is to snorkel or dive a reef. I truly have a piece of the ocean in my home.
barnacles
sponges
crabs
tunicates
red algae
green algae
coraline
jewel box clam
sea squirt
spaghetti worms
feather dusters galore
snails
corals
and so many more things that I can't identify.
This rock is teeming with life and it is an ever-changing slide show. It is truly fascinating to watch the color and life of this rock. The only way to see something more alive is to snorkel or dive a reef. I truly have a piece of the ocean in my home.
