Yeah sure - most of that text belongs to AI though. But it should be fine, just give them credit.
The End of our Hobby as we know it!
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Yeah sure - most of that text belongs to AI though. But it should be fine, just give them credit.
bobssecrtsn
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JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW I DID NOT DO THIS, THIS IS A QUOTE I PULLED OFF ANOTHER SITE THANK GOD FOR HIM!
So I wanted to take some time and break a couple things down for everyone curious or freaking out about the new proposal.
If you didn't already know,
NOAA Fisheries division is proposing Endangered Species Act (ESA) listings for 66 coral species:
59 in the Pacific
7 would be listed as endangered
52 would be listed as threatened
7 in the Caribbean
5 would be listed as endangered
2 would be listed as threatened
In addition, they are proposing that 2 Caribbean species--elkhorn and staghorn corals--already listed under the ESA be reclassified from threatened to endangered.
Proposed Endangered
Atlantic/ Caribbean
Boulder star coral (Montastraea annularis)
Elkhorn coral (Acropora palmata) *
Mountainous star coral (Montastraea faveolata)
Pillar coral (Dendrogyra cylindrus)
Rough Cactus Coral (Mycetophyllia ferox)
Staghorn coral (Acropora cervicornis) *
Star coral (Montastraea franksi)
* proposed to be reclassified from threatened to endangered
Pacific
Acropora jacquelineae
Acropora lokani
Acropora rudis
Anacropora spinosa
Euphyllia paradivisa
Millepora foveolata
Pocillopora elegans - E Pacific
Proposed Threatened Species
Atlantic
Lamarck's Sheet Coral (Agaricia lamarcki)
Elliptical Star Coral (Dichocoenia stokesii)
Pacific
Acanthastrea brevis
Acanthastrea hemprichii
Acanthastrea ishigakiensis
Acanthastrea regularis
Acropora aculeus
Acropora acuminate
Acropora aspera
Acropora dendrum
Acropora donei
Acropora globiceps
Acropora horrida
Acropora listeria
Acropora microclados
Acropora palmerae
Acropora paniculata
Acropora pharaonis
Acropora polystoma
Acropora retusa
Acropora speciosa
Acropora striata
Acropora tenella
Acropora vaughani
Acropora verweyi
Alveopora allingi
Alveopora fenestrate
Alveopora verrilliana
Anacropora puertogalerae
Astreopora cucullata
Barabattoia laddi
Caulastrea echinulata
Euphyllia cristata
Euphyllia paraancora
Isopora crateriformis
Isopora cuneata
Millepora tuberosa
Montipora angulate
Montipora australiensis
Montipora calcarea
Montipora caliculata
Montipora dilatata/ flabellata/ turgescens
Montipora lobulata
Montipora patula/ verrilli
Pachyseris rugosa
Pavona diffluens
Pectinia alcicornis
Physogyra lichtensteini
Pocillopora danae
Pocillopora elegans - Indo-Pacific
Porites horizontalata
Porites napopora
Porites nigrescens
Seriatopora aculeate
That's the list, and by my count only 14 species on the list are common, 8 more are rare at best and the rest are even more rare or never even seen in the hobby. However, all on the list are important reef building species.
Just to take it one step further
I JUST called the NOAA and spoke with a rep to get clarification for myself, here's the gist......
You can own any on the list,
You can continue to own them,
You can transport them across state lines but not for commercial purposes,
You can give or receive any specimens on the list for free but no money or services/goods can be exchanged. (IE frag swaps and giving frags to friends),
Most on the list are being classified as "threatened" not "endangered" which means there will be even more "exclusions and circumstances" that allow for ownership and the likes,
Other rights and privledges are available if you own the specimen prior to the new classifications,
For more info on the ESA (endangered species act) or "Threatened" species classification and what it really means, go here......
(ESA) http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/laws/esa/
("Threatened" species)
http://www.fws.gov/endangered/esa-li...df/listing.pdf
If you would like to call them yourself, contact info can be found here.....
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/about/contacts.html
Hope this clears some things up for everyone
If you have any further questions, let me know. I kept that rep on the phone for close to 30 minutes
So I wanted to take some time and break a couple things down for everyone curious or freaking out about the new proposal.
If you didn't already know,
NOAA Fisheries division is proposing Endangered Species Act (ESA) listings for 66 coral species:
59 in the Pacific
7 would be listed as endangered
52 would be listed as threatened
7 in the Caribbean
5 would be listed as endangered
2 would be listed as threatened
In addition, they are proposing that 2 Caribbean species--elkhorn and staghorn corals--already listed under the ESA be reclassified from threatened to endangered.
Proposed Endangered
Atlantic/ Caribbean
Boulder star coral (Montastraea annularis)
Elkhorn coral (Acropora palmata) *
Mountainous star coral (Montastraea faveolata)
Pillar coral (Dendrogyra cylindrus)
Rough Cactus Coral (Mycetophyllia ferox)
Staghorn coral (Acropora cervicornis) *
Star coral (Montastraea franksi)
* proposed to be reclassified from threatened to endangered
Pacific
Acropora jacquelineae
Acropora lokani
Acropora rudis
Anacropora spinosa
Euphyllia paradivisa
Millepora foveolata
Pocillopora elegans - E Pacific
Proposed Threatened Species
Atlantic
Lamarck's Sheet Coral (Agaricia lamarcki)
Elliptical Star Coral (Dichocoenia stokesii)
Pacific
Acanthastrea brevis
Acanthastrea hemprichii
Acanthastrea ishigakiensis
Acanthastrea regularis
Acropora aculeus
Acropora acuminate
Acropora aspera
Acropora dendrum
Acropora donei
Acropora globiceps
Acropora horrida
Acropora listeria
Acropora microclados
Acropora palmerae
Acropora paniculata
Acropora pharaonis
Acropora polystoma
Acropora retusa
Acropora speciosa
Acropora striata
Acropora tenella
Acropora vaughani
Acropora verweyi
Alveopora allingi
Alveopora fenestrate
Alveopora verrilliana
Anacropora puertogalerae
Astreopora cucullata
Barabattoia laddi
Caulastrea echinulata
Euphyllia cristata
Euphyllia paraancora
Isopora crateriformis
Isopora cuneata
Millepora tuberosa
Montipora angulate
Montipora australiensis
Montipora calcarea
Montipora caliculata
Montipora dilatata/ flabellata/ turgescens
Montipora lobulata
Montipora patula/ verrilli
Pachyseris rugosa
Pavona diffluens
Pectinia alcicornis
Physogyra lichtensteini
Pocillopora danae
Pocillopora elegans - Indo-Pacific
Porites horizontalata
Porites napopora
Porites nigrescens
Seriatopora aculeate
That's the list, and by my count only 14 species on the list are common, 8 more are rare at best and the rest are even more rare or never even seen in the hobby. However, all on the list are important reef building species.
Just to take it one step further
I JUST called the NOAA and spoke with a rep to get clarification for myself, here's the gist......
You can own any on the list,
You can continue to own them,
You can transport them across state lines but not for commercial purposes,
You can give or receive any specimens on the list for free but no money or services/goods can be exchanged. (IE frag swaps and giving frags to friends),
Most on the list are being classified as "threatened" not "endangered" which means there will be even more "exclusions and circumstances" that allow for ownership and the likes,
Other rights and privledges are available if you own the specimen prior to the new classifications,
For more info on the ESA (endangered species act) or "Threatened" species classification and what it really means, go here......
(ESA) http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/laws/esa/
("Threatened" species)
http://www.fws.gov/endangered/esa-li...df/listing.pdf
If you would like to call them yourself, contact info can be found here.....
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/about/contacts.html
Hope this clears some things up for everyone
If you have any further questions, let me know. I kept that rep on the phone for close to 30 minutes
TimLikesFish
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Thanks for the due diligence Bob, puts my mind at ease a bit. My reef club has a federal inspector speaking tomorrow, I'm still very curious to hear it all in person.
Edit: just saw the top, thanks for posting it though, kudos to that gentleman!
Edit: just saw the top, thanks for posting it though, kudos to that gentleman!
So the way I interpret this:
No longer mail order any of these species.
No longer purchase from an LFS.
No longer sell on local reef forums.
Frag swaps would be illegal, no? Frags for frags still is a good being traded.
Species would have to be given out for free.
Not sure how they would ever prove ownership of species before law goes into effect.
We certainly need more details on this rule as to how it will affect the culturing of the above listed species.
Either way - This still sounds like a major headache for all of us.
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Cahooligan
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added my 2 cents...damn government
bishopthomas
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Just commented:
I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.
I think that most people in the reef-keeping community would agree to the preservation of all things oceanic around the globe. However, aqua-cultured livestock is not detrimental to the world's coral reefs and should not be treated as criminal. If anything, it raises appreciation and awareness. Making generalized laws just to make it easier for authorities to enforce endangered species harvesting is not a viable solution. If removing these species from the wild is the issue then that is what should be addressed; leave those who make a living growing and selling these animals in an additive way alone.
100% agree with you.
jimmy frag
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the ban is already in the US is it not ? Mexico ? also the Philipeans and red sea. as far as Indo and Astrailia go there are quotas in place that restrict the amount that comes out of the ocean. Australian government officials are quite strict with poaching and ilegal shipping where as Indo airport customs can be bought for a pack of cigs. i am not against stopping the importing of these corals if the numbers are really as low as they say they are. it would really only take a year for the ocean reefs to re stock its self as these coral grow quite quick. unless of course its global warming that is the cause not the trade. anyways, my thoughts are the government will miss out on a lot of tax dollars and that is something that will not be over looked. there will be compermise.
CIGARSC351W
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I posted my comments. With as many members as this place has I'd hoped to see more than 600 comments. I work in an industry that's under constant threat of legislative action and it's know fun waking up most mornings wondering if today's the day they legislate me out of business.
jimmy frag
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" it really is criminal IMO. every day Cathay Pacific and Emrits Air arrive at my air port with skids apon skids of coral. i just cant grasp the numbers being shipped to Europe, US and Canada.
jimmy frag
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I'll grow WHATEVER I WANT! I do anyway... wink wink
lol, Too Funny :lolspin:
+1 Couldn't say it better...
Harlequin mania
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The rules will only apply if it happen for usa market. Asia is not affected.
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I left my comments. Here is what I said,
This proposal is preposterous. I feel that our oceans do need to be better regulated to help protect them however, the aquarium hobby is not what it needs to be protected from. If you want to protect our oceans, stop drilling for oil, stop commercial fishermen from using trawlers, stop polluting the waters, and stop building so close to the beaches which causes erosion and in turn damages the reefs. It is aquarium hobbyists that are helping rebuild the reefs with organizations like CoralRestoration.org. We, as aquarists, also help by growing corals in a controlled environment and sharing these corals with others to help alleviate the stresses on the oceans reefs. This proposal needs to be reevaluated.
This proposal is preposterous. I feel that our oceans do need to be better regulated to help protect them however, the aquarium hobby is not what it needs to be protected from. If you want to protect our oceans, stop drilling for oil, stop commercial fishermen from using trawlers, stop polluting the waters, and stop building so close to the beaches which causes erosion and in turn damages the reefs. It is aquarium hobbyists that are helping rebuild the reefs with organizations like CoralRestoration.org. We, as aquarists, also help by growing corals in a controlled environment and sharing these corals with others to help alleviate the stresses on the oceans reefs. This proposal needs to be reevaluated.
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