The ever present flashing fish - more questions for flukes/Prazipro treatment

Newms118

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So my clownfish, blue damsel, and royal gramma went through 7 rounds in the TTM. The fish do not appear to show any signs of ich/white spots, and are all active/hungry and back in the QT tank.

Now the royal gramma and clownfish started to flash again. The clown was obviously scratching at the gills. No visible signs of anything attached. I didnt do the PP during the TTM because when I added it, after one day, the fish seemed to be starving for oxygen (I had them in only 3 gallons of water). And I guess I could have added the PP on the last day before putting them back in the QT to kill anything that was attached, but I forgot.

So now I added double the dose of PP back on Thursday. On Friday, I didnt see the clown or gramma flash anymore, so I assumed it was working. However today, I saw the gramma starting to flash again. So my question: is it normal to still see flashing after adding PP? I figured the flukes would have died and so no more need to scratch. Could the fish be scratching just bc they itch and its not flukes? I understand that I will have to go through several rounds of PP to kill the eggs, and Im using this site for help: http://marineparasites.com/paratreatmentcal.html.

Also, since the tank is without an established bio filter, if I need to change the water to reduce ammonia, do I simply replace the removed PP? I ask because by day 2 (today), the PP should be all gone, so I'm not sure if another dose is technically needed.
 
Praziquantel (PraziPro) is not effective with all species of Monoganeans (skin & gill "flukes").
With some hyposalinity works well while others can only be eradicated with trichorfon (Dylox).

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Praziquantel (PraziPro) is not effective with all species of Monoganeans (skin & gill "flukes").
With some hyposalinity works well while others can only be eradicated with trichorfon (Dylox).

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Where would you get trichloron? Ive read its really toxic and kills fish easily. Do you have a good recipe for how to do a freshwater dip? Maybe I should do that to see if I can see anything swim around. I've never actually seen a fluke so I dont know what I'm even looking for.
 
Just google "monogenean" to find pictures of them. Though for many you may actually need a microscope to even see them.
No idea where to get Dylox.
For most marine Capsalidae*(skin "flukes") a 3 to 4 week treatment with hyposalinity (below 15 ppt) might be sufficient.

For a freshwater bath just use RO water with a splash of saltwater (don't go over 1 ppt) that has been warned up to tank temperature.

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Where would you get trichloron? Ive read its really toxic and kills fish easily. Do you have a good recipe for how to do a freshwater dip? Maybe I should do that to see if I can see anything swim around. I've never actually seen a fluke so I dont know what I'm even looking for.

There is a product called clout that is sold by Jehmco.com, it should kill any fluke. You can get dylox from anyplace you can buy herbicides and pesticides from that sells to lawncare companies. I would try clout before the dylox.
 
... clout .. should kill any fluke. ...
I would be rather careful with such generalizations as some of these buggers are quite hardy. According to Noga there are some that need a double dose of Dylox to be killed - that will likely also do your fish in.


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