The Frogfish Files

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7921714#post7921714 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NanoLurker

i'm going to approach this as i would a new seahorse so let me know if i'm way off base when it comes to frogfish. i normally QT 8 weeks in hypo (1.011 measured with refractometer).

I normally QT for 4 weeks with some malachite green/formalin dips in between. Hypo is probably the safest for the frogfish but Amyloodinium may not be affected (Steven Pro)

during that time i deworm with both fenbendazole and praziquantel. do you guys normally prophalytically deworm?

I've used praziquantel but not until after the frogfish has been in QT for a few weeks. I've had limited success, some deaths (although maybe that was not from the drug but from other factors)

are there any specific bacterial infections that frogfish are known for, i.e. a particular strain of vibrio, etc. or is this a new, uncharted area for this fish?

Mycobacterium marinum (Ref ) and I have a paper on Vibrio found in Genera Lophius but it is in Japanese.

are there any meds to definately stay away from?

Scott Michael initially recommended treating frogfishes with copper but, in later writings doesn't recommend it. Anecdotally, at Altantis Aquarium in California, we found a higher incidence of frogfish death when they were kept in the copper-treated fish-only system. When the new frogfishes were placed in the reef (non-coppered) systems, mortality dropped.

i'm interested in the smaller species, i haven't read anything that would lead me to believe that the smaller species have the bacteria on their esca (?) responsible for bioluminescence.

Antennarius nummifer, A. coccineus, A. pictus, A. maculatus, and A. multiocellatus all grow to a max of about 4-5"and are reasonably hardy. I have not heard of any of the shallow reef-level (0-150ft) frogfishes possessing luminescent symbiosis but not a lot of research has be published regarding such.

i prefer to feed live food and receive live feeder shrimp from george on a routine basis. i sometimes order aquacultured mysid from reed mariculture. i'll occasionally feed FW ghostshrimp. i recently took in a 1.5 year old CB seahorse who's tankmates all had fatty liver disease so i'm pretty concerned about what i feed my fish and try to give them as much variety as possible. any other suggestions on food?

I use the above and also include defrosted silversides and lancefish, and I make a agar-bound fishstick mixture that most of my frogfish take. I feed once a week and fast my fishes for two weeks every two months
 
thank you uburfugu for the info. i can tell you from experience hypo is useless for uronema as well :) i've been meaning to pickup some chloroquine diphosphate so i'll make sure i have that on hand prior to purchase in case amyloodinium pops up. myco was a concern i had with a recent acquisition with a granuloma, thankfully the lab results came back negative for it.

texsun - i have quite a bit more reading to do, so you're safe, for now :p i called medusa yesterday and they still have a number of frogfish available. it looks like makin' waves has some as well. are you a member of maslac or scmas? are you going to reef-a-palooza?
 
New frogfish

New frogfish

My two frogfish. ID on species?

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Re: New frogfish

Re: New frogfish

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7928232#post7928232 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CKreef
My two frogfish. ID on species?


Foreground looks like Antennarius hispidus. If it has a pom pom shaped esca (lure), is hispisdus. If lure is more worm-like, then Antennarius striatus.

Background looks like Antennarius multiocellatus. But could possibly be A. pictus. Don't think the second dorsal spine looks lie A. maculatus. Not really massive enough to be A. commerson (but could always be a juvenile).

But just my guess
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7926301#post7926301 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NanoLurker
texsun - i have quite a bit more reading to do, so you're safe, for now :p i called medusa yesterday and they still have a number of frogfish available. it looks like makin' waves has some as well. are you a member of maslac or scmas? are you going to reef-a-palooza?

I checked out the selection at Medusa. They had 3 nice, black and what I believe the be pictus, a couple of tuberosus (one didn't look so good), and a dorenhensis. I "only" picked up one of the pictus so the rest are yours. :p
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7939202#post7939202 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Texsun
I "only" picked up one of the pictus so the rest are yours. :p

but i'm not ready yet :D

is the tuberosus the little brown one that was floating?
 
new images

Black Lophiocharon
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Smaller black Lophiocharon with pink
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Mating season in the Histiophryne tank
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maculatus
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local LFS and mailorder

I do give up some of the luxuries in life ... nice car, house

eat a lot of top ramen

honestly, contact some of the reefcentral sponsors.
You'd be amazed at what they can get for you.

orange Lophiocharon
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Your best values will come from local shops. Sometimes, the $12 to $25 anglers are really awesome. As your LFS personnel get familiar with what you are looking for, it's like Christmas when a fish shipment comes in.

But the really spectacular frogfishes often come from the mail-order cherry pickers ... but you'll pay a premium.

Remember, beauty and value is in the eye of the beholder

A very ordinary but desirable A. nummifer
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They are all cool to me. I have one lfs that charges a min. of $60 for frogfish but the other store usually run $20 - $35
 
I think you'll find that most people recommend a species only tank for frogfishes.

In Scott Michael's Reef Fishes, Vol. 1 there is a picture of a frogfish eating a seahorse. Frogfishes are one of the natural predators of lionfishes. In the LFS where I worked, a $30 Lophiocharon ate a $600 Rhinopias that was the same size. So the recommendations are usually no, frogfishes make for bad roomates.

They are even iffy together in a tank. After months of peaceful cohabitation, one frogfish may turn and eat or kill the other.
 
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