The Frogfish Files

[uberfugu]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7969975#post7969975 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CKreef
tHANKS THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME MOVEMENT TO THE TANK. WHAT ABOUT A MANTIS

A mantis might be one of the worst tankmates.

They sort of inhabit the same part of the tank, frogfishes don't really use much of
the water column.

Spearers (fish-eating mantises) are out for obvious reasons but clubbers will use
their smashing legs to thump any fish that gets too close. As frogfishes are soft
and unarmored, they can easily be killed.

On the flip side, there are few frogfishes that would turn down a meal of
langoustino, if you know what I mean.

You'll probably find someone on the boads that has kept everything with a frogfish,
but I've had too many bad experiences to recommend any swimming houseguests.

Lady comes into the shop with a bucket. In the bucket is a small, golfball-sized
frogfish with a snowflake moray in its mouth. At least the head of the eel in its
mouth. Spent the next hour trying to separate the pair. Both died.

I think some of the most spectacular additions to a frogfish tank are zoanthids,
ricordeas, and discosoma mushrooms. Not a lot of movement but lots of color.

 

[CKreef]

COOL THANKS FOR THE INFO

 

[uberfugu]

Lets bump this thread

Here are some little guys. Both are in a 2-1/2 gallon tank plumbed into a much larger system. They'll outgrow this tank in a month or two. I'm moving into a new apartment on the 1st. Will post pics of the new angler system then.

Antennarius pictus (1")

Antennarius maculatus (with nice red markings. 1-1/4")

 

[CKreef]

I just found my frogfish stuck in the powerhead!!!!!!!!!!!! He seems to be okay for the most part. He is breathing fine and acting okay just not moving around much. It looks like he has injured his back left fin(foot). It is red and kind of knarled up. No open wounds. Do you think he will be okay?

 

[uberfugu]

If no open wounds, he shoud heal.

I don't like using antibiotics if I don't need to ... messes with their intestinal flora and fauna. Pristine water conditions will go a long way towards helping your guy heal.

I take it you've properly taken care of your powerhead intake?

 

[CKreef]

yeah it was only off for a little while i was cleaning the sgreen off well he is not looking good it seems to have messed up his insides lots of swelling around his stomach

 

[bobafett]

Hi folks-

It looks like this is the thred where all the experienced frogfish folks are at. I don't think this was asked but how much water flow do frogfish like. I plan to set them up in a 15 that will share the same sump with my 125 reef. I don't want to add an additional powerhead to the 15 so I want to regulate the water flow based on the size pump I decide to use from the sump to the 15.

 

[uberfugu]

I've found anywhere from 5x to 10x to be about right.

Frogfish have always seemed to struggle in my higher-current (20-30x) reef systems, but, IME reef-quality water is important.

 

[Mr. Ugly]

Yep, what Uber said.

Think lagoonal rather than reef crest.

 

[rdmpe]

I'm interested in possibly setting up a 24G aquapod with softies and a frogfish. Is there any certain type of frogfish that should not be kept in a tank that size? Any that are especially well suited?

 

[Kinetic]

I think it all comes down to water quality. The frogfishes have a high bioload, that even one in a 24g may have trouble with. If you can maintain pristine water quality in a 24g with one frogfish, go for it =) It definately requires a massive skimmer, and at least weekly water changes.

 

[reefD]

it can work but make sure the small tank ( 20 or under) is well cycled( at least 2-3 months old). this will ensure that the bioload will be consumed without a spike or re-establishment of bacteria. most have a tendency to rush this and in a small tank the angler has a strange death 3-6 months later. the prior good health and behavior and the sudden bad luck could be to a sudden cycle or recycle of a small tank. seen it many times. the good thing about this is after it happens the tank is ussually deemed a death trap ...let be...and thus becomes well established later when fish are added. just something to consider when starting a species tank for these guys and any other marine fish.

 

[reefD]

ok,
flow low
lighting low
corals ok but just an added worry so use hardy easy stuff
as stated above think low flow lagoon type setting. in my experience too much flow and light makes them less active.

 

[reefD]

Re: New frogfish

Re: New frogfish

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7928232#post7928232 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CKreef
My two frogfish. ID on species?

i have a shaggy angler (your angler in the front). he is soo active ...swims alot , common for species, but also shakes his lure in a awsome way. fun to watch. gets about 7 inches max i believ. had mine for almost a year now. great angler for a cheap price.
heres a link
http://www.starfish.ch/frogfish/species-arten/Antennarius-hispidus.html

 

[reefD]

uberfugu
like all advice stated...... to prevent any intake issues keep flow low. these guys dont swim well or fight a current and intake strong flow will always cause issues. less low flow is ideal. as witrh all marine fish some do well in flow but to prevent issues keep fl;ow low. they all do well in this condition and prevents loss.

 

[reefD]

pictures of mine....hes gotten slightly bigger if not any. just dont have a recent photo.

 

[kpk]

My little man striatus angler ate a snail tonight so I am a little worried about him. I have a bad feeling about it.

 

[uberfugu]

Well, I had some bad news and some good news today.

I am in the process of moving and had been setting up my new tank system. All had been going well.

My power company and I had a misunderstanding and they shut my power off two days before I was ready. My anglers in the old apartment went without power for two days.

When I arrived today, I was disheartened. I had lost two Lophiocharon anglers, two wartskins, three pictus, and my multiocellatus. It was not good.

My striated anglers are ok, as are all of my Histiophryne and a commerson.

One Lophiocharon survived. She had spawned two months ago with my green male. As I was emptying out her tank, I spotted some movement, a very tiny baby Lophiocharon!

Pics:

Daddy carrying eggs(RIP)

Dad & mom

junior (about 15 mm - 2 months)

 

[Mr. Ugly]

OMG, congrats on the baby!!!

I am so jealous and happy all at the same time!

Man, that is so wonderful!

 

[Mr. Ugly]

I'm really gonna have to start thinking seriously about adding Lophiocharons to the froggie menagerie