The Frogfish Files

Uberfugu - I'm seriously saddened by your loss of so many of your frogfish - I'm sure that must be heartbreaking :(

At the same time - :dance: a baby frogfish!! What is he eating? This is the first one I've ever heard of that made it to that size in captivity - do you know of any others or have you broken new ground? I'm really excited for you and wish you the best of luck!
 
Holy crap!

That baby is amazing. The probability is insane too -- you could have easily lost every fish along with that baby and its body could have been overlooked dumping out the sand and rocks and stuff along with all the other losses. You could have never realized your success and said the hell with everything!

I'm sorry about all your other fish that is just terrible. When I moved to my house from an apartment several years ago, I signed up for my electric and gas from the some utility company I had at my relatively nearby apartment. They said they signed me up for both, but neglected to tell me that they didn't cover the natural gas in my new area. It was in winter and I was still moving a few things in when I realized the heat had been turned off. The house began freezing. My critters in their holding tanks, as well as my house plumbing were in jeopardy. There were other probs for the gas company that season so their phone support said they couldn't get to my house till after the weekend too. I used some electric space heaters and some air stones , etc. and I finally went to the gas co's local service garage the next day and got a guy to come turn the meter on for me. (He told me the phone support ppl have their head up there butt).

I'm glad so many of your fish lived. You are really lucky after the power being out so long. (Irish luck: "Boy I'm lucky I stepped in this pile of dog doo -- I wasn't wearing my good shoes.") You lost eight fish over 3 days of no power. Of the surviviors: You said you had one commerson. How many striated anglers and Histiophryne do you have?

Congrats on the baby. Captive bred anglers would be such an awesome thing. Take care of that momma angler ;-)

P.S. my black frogfish is doing well. I thought he was a maculatus (wartskin) when I got him but now I think he might be a pictus. (painted). He is still pretty small, and black as ever since the prefilter boxes on my remora hang on skimmers as well as the background of the tank and the powerheads are all black.
My only concern lately with my closed-top (hinged glass lid) 20g high tank is that it gets too warm. I think this temp problem also helps cause some slight cyano bloom on a few of the rocks. I had to shut off one of the two remora hang on skimmers and a powerhead to help keep the temp down from 84+ to 81.x I may have to buy a small plumbed tank just to add water volume and more evap, or plumb such a tank into my reef system.
 
Thanks for the kind words.

I lost another Lophiocharon and my commerson, they just didn't survive the move.

The baby Lophio is doing well but I need to get some tiggerpods for him/her.

Lost in all of this madness is the fact that my Histiophryne all survived. I find them the most delicate. I currently have 7 of these guys and they're currently eating and happy.

The new system is still a work in progress. I installed my good skimmer and the backpressure had one of the tanks overflow about a gallon of water on the carpet.
 
I got a warty for a month and many white spots appear all over its body overnight.

Is it a Ich problem?

How to treat it?

Please kindly advise. Thanks
 
Can you take a picture of the spots?

Here is a quote I found online:

"The skin of a frogfish is covered with small "prickly" scales. When disease organisms such as cryptocarion get a foot hold, it is very difficult to treat the disease. Once inside the skin, the disease organism is out of reach of the chemicals that are used for treatment. In this case an ounce of prevention is worth 10 pounds of cure. These animals are also very susceptible to supersaturation of gases in the water -- bubbles may form under the skin causing a number of potential health problems. "

also this blurb:

"I've read that frogfish are sensitive to copper, and that you shouldn't use it. Though I think one person on Grim Reefers did ok with copper. Hyposalinity works fine for frogfish with ich."
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8116378#post8116378 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elvn


That baby is amazing.
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Well, the little baby was dead this morning.

I did preserve him in formalin. I think that the new system was not fully cycled.

I will try again.

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Sorry the little guy didn't make it. Did fantastic to get this far. You'll have an even better chance now that you're set up in the new place!
 
Thanks elvn and Mr. Uglyfor the advise.

I am treating it with hypo and m.green., spots are reducing.
:)

Sorry for the loss, uberfugu.

It was a cute baby.
:(
 
Quick question. I have read that frogfish only need to be fed twice a week. How much should they eat per session. I have a pair. The male is about 3" long and the female is about 7" long. The little one eats about 3 live ghost shrimps per session ( I haven't been able to get it to eat frozen yet). The larger one scoffs down about 5 silversides per session and would definitely eat more if I gave it to her. Is this too much or too little
 
dont over feed! as long as you think they need or could eat more then your feeding enough. sounds about right. your feeding habits or right on. anglers can be starved a big. not like other fish like seahorses. yoours are not starving but should be fed and still appear hungry as a practise. no worries your doing things ok. twice a week is fine. i feed mine once a week and thats good. when i first got'em i feed alot but now I neglect ( not really ...actually i mimic natures droughts verses floods of food.) asking if yours are eating enough is fine . always leave your angler a bit hungry with each feeding. less more often is alwas better than more. in your case 2 times a week is not starving. thats good care. good luck. change nothing . dont feed more ...dont feed less.
 
I think I'm in love with a fish...

Was at the LFS today and came across a red Frogfish. He's about 3/4 of an inch long (in my 20 years I've never seen one this small) and is the cutest thing I've seen in my life.

I'm VERY tempted to buy him and put him in my 20l fuge. What are we talking growth wise? In other words, how long before I have to setup a seperate species tank? Lastly, does anyone have experience with Frogfish of this size, how do they fare?

I just wish he wasn't $120. Seems quite high but I'm damn tempted to go for it anyhow.

Thanks for any help
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8222689#post8222689 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Eichler
I think I'm in love with a fish...

Was at the LFS today and came across a red Frogfish. He's about 3/4 of an inch long (in my 20 years I've never seen one this small) and is the cutest thing I've seen in my life.

I'm VERY tempted to buy him and put him in my 20l fuge. What are we talking growth wise? In other words, how long before I have to setup a seperate species tank? Lastly, does anyone have experience with Frogfish of this size, how do they fare?

I just wish he wasn't $120. Seems quite high but I'm damn tempted to go for it anyhow.

Thanks for any help
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This time of the year, many baby frogfishes show up from the Indo/Pacific area. I would guess a young pictus or commerson but it could be a red-morph, juvenile maculatus.

So a pictus and maculatus would grow to a 4" adult size in a year or two, I would figure 6 months to a year in the refugium before an apartment upgrade. But I had a commerson grow from about 1" to 6" in a year so, if the fish is this species, you may need a larger tank much sooner.

I've had the smallest frogfishes go after live mysid shrimp and the smallest ghost shrimp you can find. Baby guppies :eek2: will also work if you have the heart to feed your angler such. At this size, they are reluctant to wean onto defrosted foods but it can be done.
 
hey uber i dont know if u remember but i had that little tuberosus frog that was lavaish lookin and after day 2 i could no longer find so now 3 months from then im takin down my tank and guess what jumps out that litttle frog so he is now in my 12 ga,llon aquapod and is being more watched i have no clue what he was eatin but he looks good and healthy as he did when i got him i think there is a picture of him in my gallery
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8269765#post8269765 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NanoManMaster
hey uber i dont know if u remember but i had that little tuberosus frog that was lavaish lookin and after day 2 i could no longer find so now 3 months from then im takin down my tank and guess what jumps out that litttle frog so he is now in my 12 ga,llon aquapod and is being more watched i have no clue what he was eatin but he looks good and healthy as he did when i got him i think there is a picture of him in my gallery
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Cool man, that is probably the longest that anyone has kept that Genera! :D

They're so small, they probably survive on the mysis and amphipod population in the tank.

They are awesome little frogfishes but, because they hide so much, they're really not suitable for most people unless you like to look at liverock.

Well, good job. I hope he continues to well for you.
 
Thought I'd share some pics of my new "Coolest Fish" members :) I have to say, Frogfish are way cooler than I thought. I purchased two for my aggresive species tank, and they are now in QT.

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