THE GREAT SKIMMERLESS DEBATE! join on in

Since adding the skimmer I have gotten hair algae, red slime algae with bubbles, tank not looking so clean, I lost several acropora corals over the two years it has been on, I even have traded skimmer to see if it made a difference but it has not

This is an hoest question so dont take it negetively, but, if you are so sure it is the skimmer, why would you continue to use one? The only reason I can think of is, you do not 100% think it is the skimmer, because if you did 100% believe that it was, I cannot imagine you would continue to use it? Do you think it might be another cause? Just looking for feedback.

-John-
 
I am not, the skimmer is for sale and I am setting back up a tank with cheato and other things in it. I can not see what else could have caused it, adding the skimmer was the only change. I have checked all I could to make sure, I have the skimmer turned down to almost producing nothing until the algae gets growing in a small tank I set up and until I get the larger one going again. Guess what since doing this the red slime and bubble crap have started to go away
 
reefer44,

borneman currently (last time I checked) runs a tank with a skimmer, mainly because of his travel schedule. i have personally seen his old 320 which ran with a DSB, a small algal scrubber and a surge bucket. His corals grew fantastically fast and exhibited great color. he also fed a ridiculous amount of food 4-5 times a day. I personally think having a skimmer as a safeguard (if nothing else) is a great idea. I also think that it's dangerous to recommend that someone who doesn't have a reasonable amount of experience start out without a skimmer. HOwever, I have seen (and personally ran) systems without skimmers. IMO, my system's success was more dependent on the quality of rock I had (8 year old rock covered with a ridiculous amount of live), slow buildup in stocking levels, and water motion (avoiding stagnant areas).

I think you can do both; personally I prefer having a skimmer and having a refugium as well.
 
here is the tank, she runs a 135 with no skimmer. I think this is a great looking tank
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Reefer44, I am sorry to hear you hate John Tullocks book.

I am also sorry to hear you seem to have a lot of anger directed toward me.

You seem to enjoy bashing me and all the tanks I post or mention, yet I haven't seen any pics of your tanks, would you like to post them?
 
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Ah yes, here we go again. Been in a few of these over the years. Always wondered why those who think no skimmers are better, would think we love to run them and PAY for them, unlss its because they work pretty well.

I have a large ATS, {not algae in my sump}. Search for the many threads we have had on them, although the largsest was in Borneman,s forum. {by the way, his is in his closet}. And so are my couple of friends who own one and thats where mine is now. :eek: Wonder why?

I have asked on many of the dozen or more boards I frequent for others running turf scrubbers. NONE. I had several online discussions with Morgan before the problems they had. I would not really use their facility as an example of the average aquarists. Thats a commercial venture, with huge screw pumps and large scrubbers, {is it not ?}.

I tried many times to run my tanks with my scrubber only and most of the time had to go back to my large skimmer for assistance.

I have scrubber pics in my gallery. I can say they sure assisted in the running of my aquariums. Never had phosphates, nitrites, nitrates, ammonia or whatever else the turf algae removes but still needed the skimmer for organic removal, and also the best crap remover I have used, esp. the large becketts with their increased flow.

I tried running a 55g sump on my 170. Both had dsb and the sump was full of calerpa. Still needed skimmer assistance.

Now I,m all for running skimmerless. My new 75 is currently, for now, but my beckett sits in the closet. {and its bare bottomed, :lol: }.

Every thread we have seen like this is short of proff, as someone mentioned, except for smaller tanks that can be maintained with water changes and the odd larger one. That was very true on scrubber threads. {remember I,m talking actual scrubbers here}. This is even more evident here on the sps forum.
 
Why this thread is still going on I dont know.
This thread really should be in the LPS and softies forum.

What is there to debate? :confused:

Wouldn't the the top tier of aquariums be running skimmerless if it was benefical?

Many people here are in denial.

If skimmerless was beneficial than many people would be doing it.

I just don't understand why any hobbyist would want to make their job much harder than it already is? :confused: :confused:
 
I will let you in on something, DT's works.. and if you have a skimmer to pull whats left over out, then good...

Personally I think DT's and the other supplements are a waste of money and do more to pollute a tank than helping. Keep in mind that I am only referring to SPS, as this IS the SPS forum. It may be beneficial for LPS or softies, but for SPS I have found it does more harm than good.
 
Yes Phytoplankton is pretty much useless for sps coral, and most corals in fact.

I just don't understand why some people have to get so defensive at others who chose not to use skimmers on their own personal tanks.

I never claimed skimmerless systems were the best or only way to run a reef tank, or sps tank.
 
i think the people that support not skimming r cheapasses that want to justify why they shouldnt spend a few hundred bucks on a skimmer..
 
what about people like me that spent the big bucks and have seen no difference after two years and want to go back to skimmerless, am I cheap, I do not thing so

The picture I posted does have some algae on the glass but to me that is nothing compared to how good the corals look
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7545003#post7545003 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jiggy
i think the people that support not skimming r cheapasses that want to justify why they shouldnt spend a few hundred bucks on a skimmer..

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Post of the year!!!
 
i also believe that if it were benficial to not run a skimmer reefers would be exstatic that they dont have to spend hundreds of dollars to skim stuff out of the water. it definately helps to not have the cup of sh** in the tank that i clean out every couple of days. as for your case marinelife there are exceptions to every rule maybe you are one of the lucky ones that a skimmer doesnt work for you and you dont ever have to spend four hundred dollars on a skimmer, but i know when i get a bigger tank i would like to buy the best skimmer that i can afford because unlike the ocean the crud doesnt go back in the water therefore making it cleaner. just my opinions.
 
I spent the big bucks hoping to see a difference but have yet to, I purchased two different skimmers, both pulled stuff. I think with the correct amount of export by other means then you can get away with out a skimmer, there is always more than one way to do things, I think that is what every one is forgetting here
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7545260#post7545260 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SunnyX
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Post of the year!!!

Not really since I spent the money but still am getting rid of it, so am I cheap
 
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