The Moorish Idol Thread

[zfunk007]

Hey everyone. I saw the "Regal Angel" thread so I figured i'd start one for Moorish Idols so we could share our experience in keeping them. Since this is considered a very difficult fish to keep any advice here will be greatly appreciated.

I personally have kept 3 of them with great success. However these were all fish I kept at an LFS where I used to work. I personally cared for them for over a year until the hurricanes hit and they all perished . Since then I have never attempted to keep another one, until now.

I work at another LFS now and we rarely get in Moorish Idols unless they are requested by a specific person. However, yesterday my boss arrived with a shipment from Miami and low and behold there was a beautiful Moorish Idol about 2" long. So I had to take him home and give it a try.

So back to the purpose of this thread. Please, share your experiences here if you've had them. Good or bad. I'm going to do my best to get this guy eating. I have a 210 gallon tank, so he has plenty of room to swim. I'm going to the store today and im going to pick up some frozen mysis, brine shrimp plus, Spectrum Finiky Fish formula and probably some Sea Weed Selects as well. Hopefully this will do the trick.

Before I was able to get them to eat Spectrum Pellets but first I would feed them formula 2 and Algae strips and they would eventually switch to pellets. I know that if you get them eating pellets they have a very good chance of surviving in the aquarium. Here are some pics of my new Idol. Enjoy. And please post your experiences!

 

[JENnKerry]

Those are great pics. I wish you the best of luck. Ya know people used to flame my wife and I all the time about keeping goniopora. You know what I would say to them? "Goniopora to me are like Moorish Idols, they can be kept, they just need alot more special care and attention."
Sorry I dont have one.

 

[zfunk007]

**Update**

I watched him for a while this morning. And hes picking ALL over the rocks, everywhere. He's even nipping at a few of my corals from time to time. I knew the risks when I put him in so it doesn't really bother me that much. He hasn't messed with my stonies and those are the only ones i'm really concerned about. He nipped my trumpet a few times and some local Atlantic polyps that I got around here. No biggie.

I tried my mix of food. Brine Shrimp Plus, Frozen Mysis Shrimp, Formula Two, Chopped up Frozen Prawn and Spectrum Finicky Fish Pellets. I mixed them all together and added some Selcon also. He sampled just about all of it. But by sampled I mean "picked at" or chewed up and spit out, over and over again. So i'm taking the fact that hes sampling things and picking all over the rocks to be a good thing. And hopefully in the next few days i'll get him to eat normally. We will see. I'll keep everyone updated.

 

[VolitanLioness]

Hang some Nori/Seaweed and try the Frozen Angel Formula it has sponge in it or buy a sponge from your LFS for them to pick at.

Kaye

 

[Paul B]

Since this is a Moorish Idol thread here is some pictures I took of them in Bora Bora.
I, of course also keep them in a tank.
Have fun with your thread.
Paul

 

[zfunk007]

Great Pics Paul B!! You have any from your aquarium?

 

[B Pierce]

Good Luck zfunk007!

I had one, it lasted 6 months it was eating great but my koran anglefish kept picking at it and it got ick and died

 

[Paul B]

Yes I do.

 

[zfunk007]

What a beautiful Idol you have Paul! Any tips on how you got him eating and so beautiful in your aquarium?

 

[Paul B]

Zfunk, I went on a diving trip to Tahiti mainly to watch these beautiful fish. Unfortunately they seem to eat what all other reef fish eat, a little bit of everything including this wierd lime green sponge looking stuff that I have not been able to identify.
Mine always ate pellets so I feed him every day with "Soft and Moist" pellets that I first soak in "Selcon". As you can see from the above picture I feed him the pellets in a dish. The dish has a tube connected to it up to the surface where it is connected to a funnel. I put in the pellets every day with the Selcon and they go into the dish, the Idol hangs around the dish and eats them as they enter the dish. I do this to make sure he eats enough. There is a lot of competition in my tank but the Idol monopolizes the dish. I also feed the rest of the tank (and the Idol) other things like plankton, seaweed, small fish that I get in an Asian food store and other things but I think the main thing is the Selcon. I have had quite a few Idols but this is the first that I feed this way. I have had him almost a year. If I can't keep him ten years then the experiment failed.
In the sea they live in mated pairs and swim in large 100 yard circles around the reef with one following the other as in the picture.
Good luck.
Paul

 

[zfunk007]

Wow, talk about dedication. That is great Paul. I was wondering what that dish was doing there. Yeah I know one of the problems with keeping them in captivity is that they are pretty much constantly eating. And if you don't feed them enough they starve.

**Update**

Mine is continuing to peck around at the rocks in my tank almost non-stop. Luckily there is some hair algae here and there that he has been grazing on. I'm hoping that will help him get adjusted to the tank.

I just fed my fish the same mix I fed them yesterday and he is eating "cautiously." I have been soaking his food with selcon also and I may try garlic to see if it stimulates his feeding more.

As of right now he is still "sampling" the food I am putting in. He doesn't seem to like the brine plus, he chews it up and then spits it out. The mysis however he seems to go for a little more. I have seen him actually eat some mysis without spitting it back out. So at least I got him eating something.

He hasn't gone for the pellets or the algae strip I hung on the glass yet. If I can get him to continually eat the mysis and maybe the brine plus i'll work on getting him to eat pellets next.

Out of curiosity, what kind of pellets are you feeding yours Paul? Also does yours have a particular spot in the tank he likes to hang out? Or is he continually moving around everywhere? Mine seems to like the right hand side of my tank. He'll circle around and around it and rarely goto the left. Although he does sometimes. More updates tommorow.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

zfunk007,
Good luck with him and keep us posted on your efforts. I know there are a few others on here who keep them and hope they will chim in. There has been a few other threads about the idol here on RC. Paul B is a great person to learn from. He's been doing this for a while.

I don't have one yet but my goal is when I get my 190 up and established, I want to try one. So I'll be intently watching this thread.

The common factor that I've read in various threads is mulitpule feedings a day and a varied diet. Again good luck.

 

[Paul B]

I feed him "Soft and Moist" pellets, thats the name. His favorite food is vegie flakes which I also soak in Selcon. I discovered by watching them in the sea that they live in pairs and one seems to be dominent and the other passive. One (the male?) leads to the food and the other just follows. I am thinking that maybe the passive one (female?) is the ones that eat "cautiousely like yours. Maybe thats why there is so much diversity in these fish. Why some eat anything while others are very picky.
I guess I have another excuse to go back to Tahiti.
Someone has to do it.
Take care,
Paul
Hello there Chevy

 

[zfunk007]

Wow... thats interesting.. I'm learning alot from you Paul. Perhaps I do have a female Idol. If only there was a way to tell the sexes apart!

I appreciate all the tips and advice. I've never heard of "Soft and Moist" pellets before. I'm thinking maybe i'll just soak mine before I give them to him/her. I should get some veggie flakes though and try that as well. I think we have some of those at the LFS I work at.

Another thing I find strange is that he/she isn't going for the Algae strip I put in. Out of the 4 Idol's I have cared for in the past they all jumped on the Algae strips. Perhaps I should put it closer to the bottom of the tank. I have it near the top right now and the Idol seems to spend more time near the bottom or in the middle picking on the rocks.

Also, as my profile says, I live in South Florida. Me and my bro are going diving tommorow and I was thinking I could get the Idol some live sponge. We have tons of it around here and perhaps he would benefit from it. What do you think? Would it be bad to give a fish from the Pacific, Atlantic Sponge? Or does it not make any difference?

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Hi Paul. Hope all is going well for you.


zfunk, here's some reading for you.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=565566

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=512489

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=421401

 

[Paul B]

Wow... thats interesting.. I'm learning alot from you Paul. Perhaps I do have a female Idol. If only there was a way to tell the sexes apart

Zfunk, don't forget this is just an assumption, I could be way off on this. Maybe they are all transexuals I really don't know. It is just a theory of mine. I just find it interesting that about half of them eat anything and the rest eat just about nothing. I also did not see any juviniles like the ones we have. All of the ones I saw were about 7" long. I am sure they are stunted in a tank because mine is only about 4 or 5" long and I had him almost a year, more than enough time for a fish to grow to maximum size.
By the way, mine also does not eat algae, not even Nori which most of them eat but he will eat cardboard. They are not that bright.
Take care,
Paul

 

[Paul B]

I forgot about the sponge, I think you should try it. The next time I dive here I will also collect some.
Paul

 

[zfunk007]

Well I got him eating the algae strips by ripping one up and letting it disperse throughout the water. He went after it and was eating it then. He still won't go near the strip attached to the wall though for some reason.

 

[VolitanLioness]

You can tell a male from a female when they are more mature, around the eye where that slight lump is, the males lump is more perdominate.

Kaye

 

[zfunk007]

Thanks for the info about sexing SpecialK. Did you know that Paul? That would be a great thing to know if it is true.

I decided to add some Kent Marine Garlic Extract to the frozen mysis tonight. And it worked like a charm. He was eating it like a pig. Not spitting anything out. This is a good sign. Tommorow i'll try treating some of the Finicky Fish Pellets with the Garlic and see if that gets him to eat the pellets.