the secret to colorful,healthy corals....obvious to some,elusive to many
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I lost color and growth when my nitrate level went to 3 or less (NYOS). It seems like not everyone's experience is the same but I will try to keep mine around 5.
DiscusHeckel
Acropora Gardener
My measurable nitrates are between 2.5-5 ppm (Salifert) and measurable phosphates are between 0.024-0.046 mg/L (but are typically 0.046 mg/L) (Elos High Sensitivity). My alkalinity is at NSW (6.45 dKH-7.45 dKH). My corals seem to be at their happiest when alkalinity is at NSW levels.
I dose a product that contains organic nitrogen, organic carbon, inorganic phosphates, inorganic nitrates and organic phosphates. You can see plenty more pictures if you follow the links in my signature.
I dose a product that contains organic nitrogen, organic carbon, inorganic phosphates, inorganic nitrates and organic phosphates. You can see plenty more pictures if you follow the links in my signature.
hkgar
Active member
Beautiful tank. What are the ATI bulbs you are using? I am using 6x80 W ATI over my 180 and the colors are now where near as popping.My measurable nitrates are between 2.5-5 ppm (Salifert) and measurable phosphates are between 0.024-0.046 mg/L (but are typically 0.046 mg/L) (Elos High Sensitivity). My alkalinity is at NSW (6.45 dKH-7.45 dKH). My corals seem to be at their happiest when alkalinity is at NSW levels.
I dose a product that contains organic nitrogen, organic carbon, inorganic phosphates, inorganic nitrates and organic phosphates. You can see plenty more pictures if you follow the links in my signature.
I have front to back B+, P+, B+, Aquablue, Geisseman Tropic (6500k), Actinic, B+, B+
ALK 7.8
CA 450
Mag 1350
PO4 .04
NO3 5
DiscusHeckel
Acropora Gardener
I am using front blue+ coral+ actinic abs purple+ blue+ coral+ blue+ back
sandipan.ece
Member
My measurable nitrates are between 2.5-5 ppm (Salifert) and measurable phosphates are between 0.024-0.046 mg/L (but are typically 0.046 mg/L) (Elos High Sensitivity). My alkalinity is at NSW (6.45 dKH-7.45 dKH). My corals seem to be at their happiest when alkalinity is at NSW levels.
I dose a product that contains organic nitrogen, organic carbon, inorganic phosphates, inorganic nitrates and organic phosphates. You can see plenty more pictures if you follow the links in my signature.
One of the most beautiful tank I have seen in a while! What is the product that you dose? Could you also share the dosing details please?
DiscusHeckel
Acropora Gardener
Thanks for your positive feedback. I use Tropic Marin NP-BACTO-BALANCE to export nutrients and feed my corals and heterotrophic bacteria at the same time. I do not use any GFO, but I use GAC passively. My current dose is 1.7 ml per day.
Cheers
Bülent
hkgar
Active member
Sadly, that Tropic Marin product is not available in the US, at least I can't find it.
Big E
Premium Member
Here ya go Gary......I've seen it widely available--------
http://www.aquacave.com/tropic-marin-np-bacto-balance-500-ml.html
Tropic Marin US if you need other help/info--
http://www.tropicmarin-usa.com/contact.html
http://www.aquacave.com/tropic-marin-np-bacto-balance-500-ml.html
Tropic Marin US if you need other help/info--
http://www.tropicmarin-usa.com/contact.html
hkgar
Active member
Thanks for the update.
Information on it is vague. What is it? Carbon dosing?
DiscusHeckel
Acropora Gardener
After hours of research and personal use of this product since March 2015, I have collated some useful information on it, which you can find in my Facebook notes.
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dz6t
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The true secret is that most if not all these TOTM tanks (mostly SPS dominated) grew those big SPS colonies from frags (aka aquacultured coral). Aquacultured coral is "assisted evolved" and more resilience than their wild "ancestors".
It is seldom work by throwing a bunch of wild colonies in the tank and hope for a TOTM display in long run. You will end up with a bunch of skeletons and lots $ down the drain.
It is seldom work by throwing a bunch of wild colonies in the tank and hope for a TOTM display in long run. You will end up with a bunch of skeletons and lots $ down the drain.
markalot
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its a waste of $$ is what it is
Why do people keep buying these junk products when its been proven from countless TOTM's that high import, high export, and strong lighting is the recipe for success?
Why do you see the product as anything more than an aid to high export? It's not magic, just one of many tools that can be used.
bif24701
New member
I agree here. Very good point.
I do see some value that in ensuring micro elements are equal to NSW. However that is done.
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deputydog95
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bif24701
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the secret to colorful,healthy corals....obvious to some,elusive to many
I want to add to the discussion the video that BRS recently did about lighting.
https://youtu.be/62_FdPutmAQ
In light of some research I've been doing, threads that have appeared recently that I've taken part in, and this video I've concluded due to some of my colors the lighting in my system could be too intense for my nutrient levels.
Not limited by flow.
https://youtu.be/Pjn5wQUtEZI
I maintain ~8ppm NO3 and .03 PO4.
Before adjustments: Kessil AP700s @70%
After Kessil AP700 @50%
My PMK is 10" below the water line and AP700 is 8.5" above the water. I've also run two 60" ATIBlue Plus for 10 hours.
So far growth doesn't seem to be affected, in a good way, but colors have improved already.
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I want to add to the discussion the video that BRS recently did about lighting.
https://youtu.be/62_FdPutmAQ
In light of some research I've been doing, threads that have appeared recently that I've taken part in, and this video I've concluded due to some of my colors the lighting in my system could be too intense for my nutrient levels.
Not limited by flow.
https://youtu.be/Pjn5wQUtEZI
I maintain ~8ppm NO3 and .03 PO4.
Before adjustments: Kessil AP700s @70%
After Kessil AP700 @50%
My PMK is 10" below the water line and AP700 is 8.5" above the water. I've also run two 60" ATIBlue Plus for 10 hours.
So far growth doesn't seem to be affected, in a good way, but colors have improved already.
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elegance coral
They call me EC
Aquacultured SPS corals have not "evolved" at all. They are all genetically identical to the coral that was their "wild ancestor".
They can make small changes, like pigmentation, or changes to zooxanthellae density, or even total zooxanthellae clad exchanges, but that's not evolution. When we begin "breeding/sexually reproducing" these corals, then we can talk about how they are evolving. As of right now, all reproduction with these corals, in this hobby, is asexual. There is no mixing of genes through asexual reproduction. We are not seeing evolution in these corals.
Peace
EC
karimwassef
Active member
Well... yes and no.
Our understanding of genetics is constantly evolving and the recent discoveries point to two forms genetics presenting or manifesting. The first is hard encoded genes that are the primary formative genes. The second is epigenetics where gene expression (not the genes themselves) changes based on external influences.
I'm not an expert but basically, the genes of the organism already possess previously un-expressed characteristics that can be called upon to help it survive as conditions change.
That should exhibit in both sexual and asexual reproduction since the DNA is unchanged.
This is actually a rapidly growing field of study so we may be pioneering epigenetic expression in corals.
Our understanding of genetics is constantly evolving and the recent discoveries point to two forms genetics presenting or manifesting. The first is hard encoded genes that are the primary formative genes. The second is epigenetics where gene expression (not the genes themselves) changes based on external influences.
I'm not an expert but basically, the genes of the organism already possess previously un-expressed characteristics that can be called upon to help it survive as conditions change.
That should exhibit in both sexual and asexual reproduction since the DNA is unchanged.
This is actually a rapidly growing field of study so we may be pioneering epigenetic expression in corals.
