The T5 Q&a Thread - split

I wasn't running my leds on full power obviously, otherwise I would have bleached or completely killed my coral. Let's say I ran them at 50-60℅. This was more of a question regarding evtl. difference in light and to prevent possible shock by corals from suddenly switching to a different light source.

As for leds vs. T5 - I don't like too many shadows and I prefer a uniform lighting provided by T5. I'm also a big fan of being able to switch bulbs and getting different coloration which you can't do that easily with leds. I've seen some amazing tanks with T5 and thought to give it a try. i'm keeping my leds so that if there is a need or a chance to use them, I certainly will.

And once again thanks for all the replies.

There are various LED combinations and setup both DIY as well as Comercial. I know what you mean about the shadow effect on some of those set ups. Wen individuals go with multichip LED's the shadow effect is even harder to get around.

For a 75 gallon tank to a 120 gallon tank I found the ideal is running a pair of ATI Blue Plus bulbs with between 100 and 150 watts of quality LED's. I also try to get maximium shimmer from the LED's without pushing the shadowing. Take the lenses off your LED's and you will reduce the shadowing considerably.

Many people are unhappy with the switch from MH's to T-5's because of the loss of the shimmering effect. However I think it is something very livable with considering the fantastic florescense you can get the LED's. I also found that coral growth per watt of light used is much better with LED's.

However to me the LEDs still lack in the 430 nm light range as well as the 490 nm light range. Suplementing with the Blue Plus bulbs does a wonderful job of rectifing this as well as softens most of the harsh shadows.
 
Running an 6 Bulb 48" Current USA Nova Extreme fixture with the standard bulbs (15000K, and 465nm). I am looking for a good bulb combination for an SPS Dominant tank. I am wanting a little bit bluer look. Any ideas?
 
Running an 6 Bulb 48" Current USA Nova Extreme fixture with the standard bulbs (15000K, and 465nm). I am looking for a good bulb combination for an SPS Dominant tank. I am wanting a little bit bluer look. Any ideas?

4 ATI blue+
2 ATI coral+ for the win!!

This thread lately seems like less of a T5HO thread and more of a "which ratio of ATI blue+, coral+, and purple+ is best" lol. Bit of a generalization there but that seems to be the common theme lately. I certainly know they're my favorite bulbs.
 
4 ATI blue+
This thread lately seems like less of a T5HO thread and more of a "which ratio of ATI blue+, coral+, and purple+ is best" lol. Bit of a generalization there but that seems to be the common theme lately. I certainly know they're my favorite bulbs.

I agree, but still I got very good replies to my questions which were more general and related to T5. At the end I also asked "which bulbs", I must admit :)
 
ati 4 bulbs fixture for my 40 breeder

ati 4 bulbs fixture for my 40 breeder

hi im about to change to t5 and im doing it to cover my lps dominant 40 breeder im considering and ati 4 bulbs fixture and the color im looking its more like 14k . i need suggestion of the bulbs color i should buy to obtain it .Right now im considering form front to back
blue +
coral +
purple +
blue +

it thats ok or any other combination ?
thanks in advance
 
I'd go with a 6x24w ati sunpower over your tank. A 50/50 combo of blue plus and coral plus is pretty close to 14k.
 
hi im about to change to t5 and im doing it to cover my lps dominant 40 breeder im considering and ati 4 bulbs fixture and the color im looking its more like 14k . i need suggestion of the bulbs color i should buy to obtain it .Right now im considering form front to back
blue +
coral +
purple +
blue +

it thats ok or any other combination ?
thanks in advance

I had run 4 39 watt bulbs in a medium priced fixture for years on most of my 40 gallon tanks. This was on the edge of over kill for the LPS corals I was keeping as the fixture was only about 4" above the waterline. My combinations were:
Blue Plus
Aqua Blue Special
Blue Plus
Purple Plus

But the Coral Plus bulbs were not available then. If I were to run them now I'd probably run.

Blue Plus
Coral Plus
Blue Plus
Coral Plus

I would not run a 6 bulb fixture on a tank that is as shallow as the 40 breeder unless the back to front dimensions were well over the 18" of a 40 breeder tank. But you do want to cover the entire lenght of the tank.

Keep in mind that as long as RT is getting free products from ATI he will push there brand name. I will agree that ATI is a superior product but in situations with smaller tanks some much less expensive fixtures can be just as benficial and save you money.
 
I had run 4 39 watt bulbs in a medium priced fixture for years on most of my 40 gallon tanks. This was on the edge of over kill for the LPS corals I was keeping as the fixture was only about 4" above the waterline. My combinations were:
Blue Plus
Aqua Blue Special
Blue Plus
Purple Plus

But the Coral Plus bulbs were not available then. If I were to run them now I'd probably run.

Blue Plus
Coral Plus
Blue Plus
Coral Plus

I would not run a 6 bulb fixture on a tank that is as shallow as the 40 breeder unless the back to front dimensions were well over the 18" of a 40 breeder tank. But you do want to cover the entire lenght of the tank.

Keep in mind that as long as RT is getting free products from ATI he will push there brand name. I will agree that ATI is a superior product but in situations with smaller tanks some much less expensive fixtures can be just as benficial and save you money.

I don't push ATI because I got one to review. I push ATI because they are the best out there. Nothing else even comes close.

And FYI, I paid for my fixture. You really are a piece of work.
 
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hi im about to change to t5 and im doing it to cover my lps dominant 40 breeder im considering and ati 4 bulbs fixture and the color im looking its more like 14k . i need suggestion of the bulbs color i should buy to obtain it .Right now im considering form front to back
blue +
coral +
purple +
blue +

it thats ok or any other combination ?
thanks in advance

If you had an SPS dominant tank, I too would have said go for a 6 tube unit. IMO with an SPS tank I like having at least 6 tubes to play around with the combo a bit more.

With an LPS dominated tank, I agree with TropTrea; a 4 tube is sufficient here.

However, being an LPS dominated tank I think this combo will look better:

2xBlue+, 1xCoral and 1xTrue Actinic.

My LFS runs 2xBlue+, 1xPurple+ and 1xActinic and it looks pretty amazing. But it is VERY blue looking.
 
I push ATI because they are the best out there. Nothing else even comes close.

TropTrea: Ryan has been recommending the ATI brand for years...way before he got the review unit. Back when TheGrimReefer was around Ryan was recommending the ATI brand...in those days TheGrimReefer had done tests with various tube brands and ATI had some of the best PAR and prices (in the UK) and are readily available. So I think Ryan draws his experience and knowledge from those days.

I respect you for your input into the this thread, but to make an allegation IMO is uncool. I think you can report to mods etc if you feel something isnt right.

I can see anyone would recommend ATI tubes...they are good quality and are decent in price in most countries.

I actually have other brand T5 tubes, like KZ, Giesemann, GE and Arcadia (UK brand) lying around...but I always end up using the ATI tubes as I like them overall for their price, known performance and looks.
 
thanks all for your inputs ,but moving back to my choice ,the quantity of bulbs are 4 and that not gonna change ( price issues) the opinion i want is the combination i have to try for a 12k or 14k color for my previous choices what color im closing to with
Bule +
coral+
Blue+
Purple+

and thanks again
 
thanks all for your inputs ,but moving back to my choice ,the quantity of bulbs are 4 and that not gonna change ( price issues) the opinion i want is the combination i have to try for a 12k or 14k color for my previous choices what color im closing to with
Bule +
coral+
Blue+
Purple+

and thanks again

That combo is too pink for most people. You're better off replacing the purple plus with another coral plus.
 
Sorry didn't mean to derail your question. Just a funny observation. I'd really consider not running the purple plus bulb in that config. I ran that exact proposed combo for about 6 months. It's not terrible looking, but it is unnecessarily heavy in the red spectrum. My overall colors improved greatly and algae growth decreased almost immediately when I removed the purple + and replaced it with a 3rd blue+. If you're wanting lower light stuff I'd agree with the 2 blue+, coral+, actinic. Replace the actinic with a second coral+ if you want a bit more high nanometer par and white look.

After using it and closely looking at its average spectrograph on ATIs website, it seems the purple+ bulb is best used as a stand alone "white" bulb amongst blues in a 4 bulb config, or one bulb to supplement the red spectrum in a 6-8 bulb fixture that is heavy handed in the blues. Doesn't seem to be as functional by taking up an entire 1/4 of the light options on a fixture
 
Sorry didn't mean to derail your question. Just a funny observation. I'd really consider not running the purple plus bulb in that config. I ran that exact proposed combo for about 6 months. It's not terrible looking, but it is unnecessarily heavy in the red spectrum. My overall colors improved greatly and algae growth decreased almost immediately when I removed the purple + and replaced it with a 3rd blue+. If you're wanting lower light stuff I'd agree with the 2 blue+, coral+, actinic. Replace the actinic with a second coral+ if you want a bit more high nanometer par and white look.

I could not agree with you more here. The Purple plus was a much more useful bulb before the Coral Plus came out.

After using it and closely looking at its average spectrograph on ATIs website, it seems the purple+ bulb is best used as a stand alone "white" bulb amongst blues in a 4 bulb config, or one bulb to supplement the red spectrum in a 6-8 bulb fixture that is heavy handed in the blues. Doesn't seem to be as functional by taking up an entire 1/4 of the light options on a fixture

I personaly do not rely on any manufacturers spectrum graphs. In the past on some manufactureres I have found that they were selling two different bulbs but listing the same same spectrum for both. Onder the legal truth in advertising laws they both fell withiin the legal range of for this spectrum since there is such a broad legal definition of what is legal when it comes to both spectrums and K temperature reporting.

As far as the purple being used as a full spectrum bulb I will puit a thumbs down for that. A full spectrum bulb should look basicly white and the purple plus bulb looks virtualy purple. It has a strong blue and red element to it but does not have a strong green element to it.

If you want a tank that is brighter than with two coral plus bulbs then a combination of the purple plus with an aqua blue special works very well. The aqua ble special is a neart full spectrum bulb but lacks the red. The purple plus adds that red to balance out the spectrum.
 
Don't want a wall 'o quotes. You do have a valid point about the trustworthiness of a manufacturers graph. While it's not guaranteed, ATI has been a pretty respected manufacturer, so even if taken with a grain of salt, it's still an ok loose reference. What surprised me most about the purple plus bulb is that it's graph looks nearly identical to the coral+, just with a 0.5 unit bump higher on the red. Still had near identical blue, UV, an green peaks. I found that odd. I didn't think to recommend an aquablue special and purple+. That'll be close to the look of two coral+. I just haven't ever been a fan of the aquablue special bulb. Never looked that great in person for me, and in most pictures.
 
I don't push ATI because I got one to review. I push ATI because they are the best out there. Nothing else even comes close.

And FYI, I paid for my fixture. You really are a piece of work.

From your initial comments on receiving the fixture for your 20 gallon tank it appeared as though ATI sent it to you for eveluation. If I improperly assumed this I'm very sorry.

For over 20 years I had worked with various manufacturers in new product development and evaluation. Every one I worked for had me sign a confidentuality statement and every time we semnnt out products for evaluation we also had the evaluator sign statements of confidentuality before hand. As I thought you received this light for evaluation I only assumed you signed a simular statement.

Yes I will agree ATI is ne of the best manufacturers out there for T-5 fixtures. I believe this especialy true for the larger tanks of 75 gallons or more. However I also believe that there are other fixtures out there that are much more economical to run for the smaller tanks especaily this that are not very tall like 16" or less in height.

As a prime example I was using much lower cost 4 and 6 tube fixtures on my 40 gallon breeder tanks that I was using as frag tanks. Because of the vheaper reflector dexign I was able to place them 3 to 4 inches above the water line and get PAR readings at the substrate in the 300 plus range with 4 tubes. For me to go with an ATI fixture I would be spending about 50% more on the fixture and have to raise it to around 8" or more above the water line to get the same PAR and light spread. In my case this would be impractical As I have tanks stacked one above another for space savings.

As far as the bulbs themselves are concerned. If yur going to a single manufacturer they are probably the best T-5 bulbs. However this does not mean other brands like GE, KZ and others are garbage. Some examples:

GE6,500K is the most powerful full spectrum bulb out there. The thing is unless you have like a bright tank it is perhaps too powerful . It do think it works great in a 8 bulb fixture. However it does need some added red (purple plus) to complement it.

Korallen Zucht Super Blue is a fantastic blue bulb. The spectrums peak at both 420nm and 460nm compared to the ATI blue that is advertised with simular peaks. However if the two bulbs are put next to each other in a fixture you can see the ATI looks slightly bluregreen compared to the KZ looking slightly blueviolet. The big drawback it the higher price of the KZ bulbs.

Giesmans Aqua pink and KZ's Fuji Purple are very comparable to the ATI Purple Plus with each having vewry slightly different color balances. I would not try and rate any ovf these superior or inferior to another.

Then there are the UV bulbs that have the Atinic White which I think is comparable to the Aqua Blue Special of ATI's and the 454 blue which is also a great blue bulb with a peak at 454 that pops the florescense colors. True that the PAR is slightly lower on these bulbs but everyone is not looking for the highest possible PAR and the further to the blue you move the less accurate most PAR meters are. Price wise the UVL's are usualy the lowest.

Mainly what I'm saying is you need to consider all brands not just one brand. A simple one size or one color fits all does not always work especialy in reef tanks with tousands of different corals out there.
 
Dennis,

I've had probably half a dozen companies send me stuff to evaluate. I don't recommend the crap that I don't like. I did sign some stuff for others but can't speak about any of it because I didn't give the product a thumbs up. I sent the stuff back and have never heard from them since.

I value your experience and knowledge on this stuff but your attitude towards me and others has always been off-putting.

I've stated it many times before but I've run so many different bulb combos I can't even remember them all. I worked for a LFS at one point and always tried out different combos to learn what everything did.

I've been a staple to this thread since October of 2008. I understand what each bulb does and how they all work. I still love to tinker and mess around though.

Of course everything isn't one size fits all. But I don't recommend cheap crap that will break down on people. I've ran a ton of cheap fixtures over the years. The LFS I worked at loved the cheap stuff and argued all day that it was all the same.

I find ATI stuff will work on ANY tank. People upgrade tanks all the time. Buying right the first time saves a ton of money down the road. Again, that is experience talking. Not a "I heard from a friend's brother's sister in law once removed" situation.

I say to always go to 6+ bulbs if the tank allows. 4 bulb combos suck to fight with. Again, been there and done that too many times.

Thanks for your knowledge and help in here.
 
I've been a staple to this thread since October of 2008. I understand what each bulb does and how they all work. I still love to tinker and mess around though..



Of course everything isn't one size fits all. But I don't recommend cheap crap that will break down on people. I've ran a ton of cheap fixtures over the years. The LFS I worked at loved the cheap stuff and argued all day that it was all the same. .

have been on various lighting treads going to to around 2000 some were realy fiulled with garbage information. And had worked in the RD as well as Quality control for a lighting manufacturer for 19 years. So I learned to be very finickile on lighting.


I find ATI stuff will work on ANY tank. People upgrade tanks all the time. Buying right the first time saves a ton of money down the road. Again, that is experience talking. Not a "I heard from a friend's brother's sister in law once removed" situation..

Having had a pet strore specializing in Aquatics I also have a very different attitude. The average customer comes in with a budget. Say he wants to have a 45 gallon reef tank and only wants to spend $1,500. Then you talk about a quality light fixture that will cost hom $1,000, add a skimmer for $300 and you only have $200 left for the rest. So you talk him into downsizing to a smaller tank where everything with decient quality can fir in his budget.

Lighting is interesting this way on reefs. Let;s take the 30" series of tanks with the bottom being a 20 gallon, then the 29 gallon and finaly the 37 gallon. He can start with the 20 gallon tank to keep initial cost down. For the 20 gallon tank you want to give him about 100 watts of light, for the 29 gallon about 145 watts and for the 37 about 185 watts if your working with all T-5's. So he can get a 4 bulb decient quality fixture for $250 for his 20 gallon tank or go up to anywhere up to $1400 for a top of the line fixture that would handle the entiore range. Your also looking at the same difference between skimmers etc so the 20 gallon could cost him anywhere between $1000 and $3000 to compoletly set up. Chances are if he wanted a larger tanks and could spend the $3,000 he would fork out the $3,100 right away and go with the 37 gallon tank.

From experience I can usderstand where the differnce with your past employeer falls. If he stocks $1,000 light fixtures he has a lot of cash tied up in something that moves very slowly. Then you have the differnece in mark up between manufacturers. I handled 3 brands of light fixtures and the more expensive ones had less of mark up compared to the cheaper ones. As an example I could sell a $200 light fixture and a $500 light fixture and my profit was virtualy the same if I sold them both at manufacturers suggest list price.


I say to always go to 6+ bulbs if the tank allows. 4 bulb combos suck to fight with. Again, been there and done that too many times..

Prior to the Coral Plus bulb comming out I would agree with you. You could always throw in a couple atinics to reduce your PAR when you had something like a 20 gallon long tank. But today it can be much more effecient using a 4 bulb fixture.



Thanks for your knowledge and help in here.
 
Don't want a wall 'o quotes. You do have a valid point about the trustworthiness of a manufacturers graph. While it's not guaranteed, ATI has been a pretty respected manufacturer, so even if taken with a grain of salt, it's still an ok loose reference. What surprised me most about the purple plus bulb is that it's graph looks nearly identical to the coral+, just with a 0.5 unit bump higher on the red. Still had near identical blue, UV, an green peaks. I found that odd. I didn't think to recommend an aquablue special and purple+. That'll be close to the look of two coral+. I just haven't ever been a fan of the aquablue special bulb. Never looked that great in person for me, and in most pictures.

I think the Aqua Blue Plus with the Purple Plus is a tad brighter than 2 coral plus and much closer to 3 coral plus bulbs on a 6 or 8 bulb fixture with all the others being blue plus. However for brightness you cannot beat the GE 6,500K with a pair of purple plus to remove the green tint.
 
Ok im setting up a frag tank 48x24x24 with mainly zoa and paly. some sps I would keep near the top. I have an 8x54w ATI sunpower fixture. I also have two 48inch 454 led strips that r 30watts each. will be mounted in front and back of ati fixture.

1. What would be the best combo of bulbs?
2. What duration would u run the 2 channels?
3. What 2 bulbs would u put in the 2 bulb channel?

I was thinking 5 blue plus and 3 coral plus
Or
5 blue plus, 2 coral plus, 1 purple plus.

What do u guys think?
 
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