The ultimate angelfish gift... and the Centropyge shepardi that aren't!

copps

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Five weeks ago I spoke at IMAC West in Long Beach California on board the Queen Mary. This was the first year IMAC had moved to the West Coast under new organizers... by far the most exciting vendor booth, and the gathering point of the conference, was at Quality Marine. Quality Marine is one of the largest, and best, livestock wholesalers based in Los Angeles. In their booth they had a four foot cube tank (roughly) stocked with corals and a wonderful variety of fish... I took in every specimen... and after a few minutes I noticed a fascinating little Centropyge darting in and out of the rocks...

I went to the biggest fish nerd of the Quality Marine crew (confirmed by me, and agreed upon by the QM crew!). His name is Bob Pascua... a knowledgeable fishhead and genuinely nice guy... I help a LFS out in my area, and have dealt with QM much in the past. This Centropyge by all outward appearances looked like Centropyge shepardi¡K but for many reasons I had suspicions...

Centropyge shepardi is found in the Marianas Islands and Southern Japan... The only place it¡¦s been exported out of is Guam, the largest and most populated island of the Marianas... These exports ceased about six years ago¡K give or take, when the major collector retired... I happen to travel regularly to Guam on business to the Navy Base there, and have spent months underwater on about six trips over as many years... I see Centropyge shepardi there regularly... but at depth... not really seeing any great amounts above 60 feet. I know the island well... including the fish nerds and the guys that collect... no one is exporting at the moment that I've confirmed... and this is further confirmed by the absence of shepardi in the industry in recent years... (those of you shaking your head¡K just wait a minute!).

So... going back to that little specimen in the QM tank... I had an idea of what this little fish was... but not from looking at it, more from knowing the market and knowing no one on Guam was exporting... I thought "Why would someone send one shepardi from Guam?" If someone was exporting again, surely there would be many...

So... what else could this little fish be? To fully explain that we need to go back a few years... The book many angelfish nuts now know well is "Angelfishes of the World", published in English by Julian Sprung. The book was originally written in Japanese by author Kiyoshi Endoh, an angelfish nut and friend who lives near Tokyo. In Kiyoshi¡'s original Japanese version these are the pages that show Centropyge shepardi...

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The two photos of Centropyge shepardi are on the top right... the larger photo a typical specimen and the smaller one an orange specimen lacking bars... more on the variation in a little while... Well, look at the opposite page, showing our good friend the flame angel... The bottom photos show some hybrids and aberrants... and what is that fish in the bottom left photo? Surely... that fish must be shepardi... or perhaps a flame/shepard hybrid? No... that fish that looks amazingly similar to shepardi was a fish collected far outside the range of shepardi, and was a C. loriculus/ferrugata (flame/rusty) hybrid... collected in the Phillipines!

In the English version, Julian placed this photo in the Centropyge shepardi section, with a note about what the fish was...

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So... with that information known... in addition to other specimens of this that I've seen go to Asia, I proposed the question right off the bat to Bob there at the QM booth... "Is that fish from the Phillipines?" He exclaimed, "Yes! What is it?" Bob knew it was something special... but not exactly what it was... it's not very obvious... I told him it was a flame/rusty hybrid... and not shepardi... :) It was also confirmed that rusty angels came out from this exporter in Cebu in droves (expected), in addition to a small number of flame angels (flames are a central Pacific fish, but there are breeding populations where these fish are being collected in the Phillipines). Usually when angelfish hybridize in the wild, one species is common and one is rare... as is the case with this hybrid, likely resulting when the small population of flame angels cannot find mates to spawn with at dusk...
I took many photographs of this hybrid Centropyge... what a fish! And even better, it was TINY... about an inch and a quarter... here she is! I've said this a lot lately... but look at this friggin' fish!

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More to come...
 
But... the story gets better... I noticed the fish the first day of the conference... on Friday. It was obvious I was interested in the fish, but I know in the business sometimes special fish like this are already sold... Saturday rolled around, and I did my talk on rare angelfish. Chris Buerner, owner of Quality Marine, attended my talk... Afterwards I was again up at the booth, watching the little angel, and talking with Chris at the same time. While Chris is the owner of QM, with some 60 employees, he's a great down to Earth guy you could have a beer with... that still has the passion we all share despite being in the business so long. Chris told me he enjoyed my talk, and enjoyed seeing my passion... compliments from guys like this feel great... I do this purely for the passion, and as my wife can attest to not for the money... :D

So Chris and I stood there... chatting it up... for the most part I'm a laid back guy... I partied hard in college... lived in a frat house... drank my fair share... but when I see fish like this I turn NERD! :D So, Chris says to me... "Hey John, I want to give you that fish."... I was stoked obviously... when I composed myself, I finally asked, "how much do you want for her?" ... Chris then repeated... "No... I want to GIVE you that fish!" Needless to say... I was quite emotional... :)

So, that Sunday night I was taking the red eye back home, and conveniently the booth was being broken down at QM at the end of the conference. I was able to travel to QM and tour the facility... Karen, the one female sales rep, gave me a ride to QM (thanks Karen!)... I met up with Bob at the facility and we did what fish nerds do best... towards the end we bagged up my little fish and prepared her for the plane ride back to Virginia with me...

She made it all the way home in my checked baggage (thanks to the liquid ban)...

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Five weeks later she continues to thrive"¦ here she is out of QT with some temporary tankmates"¦ I believe I have the system planned where she is going"¦ still deciding on tankmates, but a harem with a flame and rusty would be something"¦

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more coming...
 
So"¦ back to Centropyge shepardi"¦ it is more than just conincidence I believe that the flame/rusty hybrid looks so similar"¦ The shepardi I've seen in Guam show an amazing amount of variation"¦ some with many stripes"¦ some with none"¦ different coloration"¦ different morphology"¦ For years I've thought"¦ "œCould Centropyge shepardi be a species that has resulted from the hybridization of two other species?" This idea is not as far-fetched as you think"¦ Centropyge ferrugata is found to the West of the Marianas"¦ in Southern Japan, the Phillipines, and Indonesia"¦ however rusties are not found in Guam"¦ flames are for the most part found to the East"¦ and South"¦ and I've confirmed that flame angels have waifed to Guam (born elsewhere but settled in Guam"¦ no breeding populations in Guam)"¦ this after talking with that old collector that is now retired"¦ that knows Guam's fish like no one else"¦ could it be that hundreds of thousands of years ago flames and rusties were found in the Marianas, and cut off from recruitment from outside their range? Having spawned together for a while, "œCentropyge shepardi" has resulted? The amazing variation in shepardi could be as a result of this.

Just recently I spoke with Rich Pyle about this (Rich is a PhD ichthyologist that did his doctoral theiss on Centropyge, and the ultimate fish nerd), and he too has long thought this about shepardi! As he has said to me so much before"¦ there is a PhD thesis in there"¦ "œHybrid origin of reef fish species""¦

A few months back Blue Zoo received three specimens of what were believed to be Centropyge shepardi"¦ I received one of them, but it was dead in two days from what looked to be decompression related issues"¦ the other specimens also passed"¦ new flash though"¦ these were not shepardi"¦ these were also the hybrid from the Phillipines"¦ :) Here's that specimen I got"¦ RIP"¦ I've seen more shepardi than I can count diving, and with their natural variation there is no way of distinguishing the hybrids from "œtrue shepardi""¦ if there is such a thing! I sent my photos to Jack Randall, good friend and 85 year old ichthyologist that described both C. ferrugata and shepardi, and he confirmed.

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Did it happen the other way around possibly? Did a population C. shepardi make it to the Phillipines? This is a small possibility, but the fact that these hybrids come out in onesies and twosies along with droves of full rusties and flames leads me to believe no"¦ If C. sheaprdi made it to the Phillipines there would be self sustaining numbers"¦ and that has not been seen"¦

What a hobby this is... :)

Copps
 
wow once agian you continue to amaze..thats great that the newest one made it. maybe you should give 2 talks at macna 1 about angels in reef and 1 about this hybrid creating a new specises of fish theory..id love to hear that.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15661222#post15661222 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mdrc
wow once agian you continue to amaze..thats great that the newest one made it. maybe you should give 2 talks at macna 1 about angels in reef and 1 about this hybrid creating a new specises of fish theory..id love to hear that.

Trust me... shepardi is a species that's resulted from hybridization... and there are others... buy me a beer at MACNA and we'll chat about it! :)
 
Very Nice John! That's Awesome that Chris from QM GAVE you this amazing fish!

Hey john will you be at Reef-a-Palooza in October? It is in Costa Mesa, CA.
 
Hmmm.....this IS interesting.

I remember diving about 4-5 years ago out in the coral sea on Holmes reef.
This is over 100 nautical miles off the coast of Queensland, and is well outside the Geat Barrier Reef marine park.

On one particular dive sight I observed what I thought was a Flame angel swimming in and out of the reef, but couldn't understand what was slightly unusual about it.
I saw it repeatedly throughout the dive, but later figured there must've been more than one down there.

As you know, at depth (about 30m/90ft) from memory, fish colouration is muted to say the least, and differences between orange and red are virtually impossible.
I always assumed it was a flame angel by the colouration, and its markings. However now seeing your photos, and thinking back, I feel that what you have posted up pics of, was more indicative of the fish I saw down there!!

Looks like they have a fair range across the western pacific.
 
congrats john on the little guy doing well when I saw it sat I thought it looked a little different and when I went home I was going to look it up, but then you told me. I ended up getting that little Paracentropyge Multifasciata about 2 weeks of not eating and it died I tried everything.
 
I ordered one from BZ as well but it died before they got to ship it and what a disappointment it was when I got the call from Mark. Due to my work schedule I asked that they ship couple of days later and I guess this work out otherwise the fish would die in my care then I would blame myself for killing a rare fish. I was told both Shepardi died on the same day.

Hope to get one next year if 3 comes to the states each year holds true.
 
No meristical evaulation??!! ;)

As we have discussed before, I have no reason to doubt the word of Dr. Randall. I would no more question Darwin, than I would his comment. It would just be great to see a better empirical device to the claims of these "hybrids" than an evaluation of a photo.

Nice fish nonetheless, bro. Too bad you MURDERED it!! ;)

Robert in Hawaii sent an email recently that he had the opportunity to get two more in from Japan. Im sure you knew about that, though!
 
To whom it may concern,

I am only jesting with John. I would trust no one above in him in regards to care of fish.
 
When I was still very very young in this hobby, I visited a lot of fish exporters around the metropolis (I'm from the Philippines by the way) and if my memory serves me right, I believe there were two incidents that I saw a couple of fishes quite similar with the ones you got John. They were labeled as "local flame angels". I never got interested since my plan before was to house my tank with only the "local dwarf ones".

They were selling it to me at a reasonable price. Man, I should have grab a couple of them. :furious:


But thanks for sharing John. :)



Cheers!
 
I have always thought C. shepardi was a hybrid of both C. loricula and C. ferrugatus. Especially because there is so much variation in C. shepardi.

It is good to see these fish go to a good home.
 
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