The Ultimate Eight Foot Softie Reef

Man, as this tank evolves, it just gets better and better. I really like the look of the new lights, and I bet that your corals will respond in a positive manner. What I really like about your system (and you!) is that you are not content to just sit on your laurels, or to just "deal" with some of the initial design shortcomings...Rather, you have chosen to re-evaluate and tweak as needed along the way. Ups and downs have happened, but you're learning and sharing the whole way. Bravo! Thanks for the ride thus far.

Thanks Scott, but the credit for so much of this should go to my wife and the fine members of RC. ;) My wife is a source of inspiration and support, and she has encouraged me to step out of the box with many of my projects. I've also been able to bounce my ideas off her and get positive feedback. She loves the hobby, and quite frankly, my tank wouldn't be what it is today without her support.

People who know me usually consider me a fairly handy guy. But here's the secret- I'm really not! I find so much inspiration from the people of RC who are both skilled craftsmans and weekend warriors just like myself. Someone like melev has been a tremendous source of inspiration for me. He's far beyond my skill level, but take his website and it's how to approach- it's just more encouragement for a guy like me to "just try it."

Reading how other people find solutions to problems, and seeing the "re-valuation and tweakings" of so many folks' build threads here is also inspiration to push ahead. The internet is a tremendous resource for the reef hobbyist, but to be honest, without RC, and the thoughtful and dynamic people here, I'd probably have a 10g reef with a pile of mud, a scared clownfish in the corner, bioballs floating on the top, and a dead sps frag glued to the back of the tank. :D Most of my initial in depth reading and interest in this hobby was sparked by my stumbling across RC. Even just the little wave from people- the little step into this quiet little soft coral forum to say- hey that looks great..or keep up the good work is a world of encouragement in itself.

One additional question- forgive me if it's been asked before: What kind of evaporation rate are you getting with the open top? Is it as you expected, or about what you thought?

It's anywhere from 1-1.5 gallons every 16 hours. Probably close to 2 in a 24 hour period- depending on humidity, temp, season etc. There's alot of surface area going on. 96x25, 53x32(sump), 20x20(show fuge)

Thanks again for sharing this inspiring aquarium with us! It will be really neat to see if you get some different coral growth and color with the T5s. Like what I see aesthetically already!

Thanks so much. I'm trying to capture as many of the side angles for you, and others, as possible. I know how interested you are in aquascaping, and there are so many angles of depth that are hard to capture. It really looks so "lush" from certain vantage points. My sister's boyfriend was over last night and asked if it was all alive, or if there were actually "fake" things in the tank. I smiled to myself and said, nope...all 100% alive. I took it as a compliment. I told him to squat down on the far side and look down across the 8 ft length- personally my favorite angle. "Wow" is the response I always get.

Is that how many a gaggle is? I never knew.

Yup, I made sure I was within the "gaggle" +/- margin of error. ;)

That stuff on the sand would bug me, but it is an 8' long tank. How many nassarius, cucumbers and fighting conchs do you have in there now?

I'll tell you, sometimes I'm like a little blind man who can suddenly see just because someone taps him on the shoulder. If it bugs you, it has really been driving me nuts. I've given little thought to my lack of reef janitors though. I'm down to one scarlet hermit, a handful of blue legs, and the amount of snails I can probably count on one hand. In fact, most of the 250 dwarf cerinths I had have long since died off. I'm going to order a cleaning crew package.
What would you suggest for cucumbers? I'm pretty ignorant about cucs just because I've always been too afraid to keep one. Also, would adding a serpent star help in any way(other than the detritus)? I currently have a large black brittle that hunts for detritus at night, but does nothing for the sand.

I've noticed the blue legs cleaning it, but I just have too few. I've also heard mixed reviews on sand sifting inverts- starfish, cucs for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is cleaning out beneficial infauna. Any thoughts?

Thank you for all the pictures. The corals look happy and fluffy like they should.

If you think those are fluffy you should have stopped over when you were in CT for some of my wife's pancakes. :D

You've done a great job keeping the acrylic clean and scratch free. That's quite a challenge.

Thank god for some forethought with my aquascaping. If I hadn't initially planned for an open rock design and open background it would have been nearly impossible. It takes me 40 minutes once a week to wipe down the acrylic properly. If I let it go for 2 weeks it can take me as long as 2 hours. There are some very fine scratches in the front, but for an acrylic tank of this age I am proud to say it is very clear. I contribute this to regular wipe downs, with an acrylic safe pad, which keeps any type of build up out of those very fine scratches.
When the tank gets a bit dirtier I use the algae scrapers from James. Ironically, these are what put most of the scratches I have in it. It works phenomenally well, but much care is needed.

Still, for anyone who didn't know the tank I'd have to point out the scratches for them to ever be noticed.

A 14k Phoenix will give your angled tank a nice look.
Just to quickly update on my fixture. After running it for 10 hours the unit is cool to the touch with only the area around the ballasts being slightly warm to the touch- impressive.
I hardly needed to clean the MH pendants because they were so high off the water.
The acrylic shield will have to be cleaned regularly as it picks up salt spray from all the surface movement I have.

I am noticing a loss of pigment, or color shift, or something on one small section of my pink Chalice, but I'm fairly certain this has to do with the way it was leaning on the sandbed or a change in current. I'll keep everyone up to date on this.

A while back the rock my Purple Crocea was on got moved just enough for it to look unhappy with the increased flow it had been getting. It rocked off its spot and was placed in a slightly lower position- actually a bit more flow. It quickly attached but seemed slightly unhappy at times. With the removal of the Koralia 4s and the addition of the Koralia Magnum 7 it was now looking even more unhappy.

Right before the new lights came I moved it to the softie dominated end of the tank high up on the rockwork. It's directly under the end of the new fixture and looking much happier. Over the last couple of nights I've noticed white clouds floating in the water and finally surmised that the clam must be spawning. Any thoughts on whether this is somehow in direct response to the move/new light?
 
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For the clean up crew, I would look at getting:

4 Fighting Conchs
25 Nassarius snails
2 Serpent Starfish
2 Tigertail Cucumbers
50 hermit crabs
50 Astrea or Ceriths or Nerites
5 Emerald Crabs

Not all of those are available from www.keyscritters.com, but what you can't get from them, you might just pick up at your LFS. The rule I've heard often over the years is 1 snail per gallon of water. It may sound like a lot, but Eric Borneman has been doing presentations recently about putting more cows (grazers) in our tanks to help keep nuisance algae under control.

Tigertail cucumbers have been in all my tanks over the past 7 years. Matter of fact, I only bought that one, and over the years it has split and split and split again. I have them in the angled tank, the refugium, the prop section and my reef. I've seen them on the glass, hugging a Vortech, and of course on the sand.
 
Whoops - sorry about that. I usually try to avoid that, but it looks like you guys can figure out what I meant.

I've been using Keys Critters for the past four years, probably. I order twice a year, usually making it a group buy for our DFWMAS members.
 
It's alright Marc, some of us think the acronym for a website address is
;)

Thanks for the link, I think I'm going to place an order...half with Keys and half with Reefcleaners.org for the rest.

New additions from Greenwich Aquaria's tri-annual 30% off sale. Truly an amazing store!

Violet Blue African Leather(possibly a cousin of cespitularia):

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Red and Blue/Green Wellsophyllia:

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8 Blue Eyed Cardinals. Yup they school(for now). :D

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Can anyone ID the fuzzy brown algae around the Zoanthids in this last pic?

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Greenwich Aquaria A+
I just wanted to say Kudos to the friendly and helpful staff of Greenwich Aquaria. My wife and I spent a couple hours there on Saturday. I've been down there before, but the store has never looked better. Actually, it always looks pretty amazing. Their 500 gallon reef is worth the trip alone.

The coral selection was outrageous. I have not seen that much variety anywhere in the state....ever. Everything looked healthy. Yes, everything.
Almost every single coral was labeled. Folks they had 100s of corals and almost everything was labeled! I've barked at fish stores for years to do this. The labels were clearly typed on removable cards with the original price and the weekend sale price. Kudos, kudos, kudos!

They also had a great selection of fish- they always do. The highlight in my mind was a Maldives Dwarf Hybrid Angel- Orange, yellow, purple...stunning. I would have bought the little bugger if I didn't think he would have a field day in my tank.

Their store is immaculate. My wife and I hadn't eaten before we left the house, so the coffee, water, cheese, crackers and meat plate was very welcome. My wife walked around quite a bit, but then was able to relax with a coral book on a leather couch in front of the 500 reef. Perfect.

On top of the relaxing experience and cool music, the manager/owner cut some line and gave me a couple of the tiny fish hooks I've been looking for.

I purchased an amazing Red and blue/green Wellsophylia Brain, 8 Blue Eyed Cardinals, and I also picked up a very rare cousin of Cespitularia- a violet blue african leather.

Yes, their prices are a bit high, but if you catch them on one of these 30% off sales they are quite reasonable. Some of the pieces were a steal IMO. They had a 7-8" by 5ish inch full green and gold birdsnest colony with pink and purple hues for $180. Gorgeous show piece that could easily be fragged 100 fold. Just one Zoanthid rock was probably 10" x 5" covered in orange and yellow Zoanthids for $100.

Oh if I was a wealthier fellow..

Anyway, great job by the Greenwich Aquaria folks and an amazing sale!

I thought this little write up I did for the CTARS folks was appropriate for her because it leads me into what happened the other night...something I already posted in the Reef Discussion, Reef Fishes, and CTARS forums about going beyond fish traps for damsels....
 
From Saturday night:

Success! Mock me no more! The manager/owner of Greenwich Aquaria had a couple of size 22 hooks for me, and he also was nice enough to cut me some line.

While I was acclimating I tied up the hook, thawed some food, and found a tiny piece of clam for the hook. I hadn't fed the tank in two days in anticipation of the event.

My wife comes downstairs to remind me of our dinner reservations, and I'm thinking to myself, uggh what have I started! I still need to get acclimating livestock in the tank and this is going to take forever.

2 minutes 30 seconds flat and both damsels were out.

Dropped the line in- Bam! Domino damsel yanked out and flys from the tank onto the carpet. My wife is applauding- half shocked half in awe...Wow. :)

There was a scary moment where my Magnificent Foxface swallowed the hook whole and started choking. Per the advice of Greenwich Aquaria I relaxed...didn't tug, and I let him "cough" it out. My wife was mortified for a few second because she and I both love the Foxface. I swear he's just like my Chocolate Lab and would hop on my lap and let me scratch him behind the gills if he could.

Get away clowns! The hardest part was getting the other fish to stay away. I grabbed my handy dandy turkey baster and had to give them the business end of it.

Isolated the Behn's Damsel and bam- yanked and flying out through the air onto the floor! Behn's damsel falls smack on the carpet! Ok, ok for a minute I did my whole ya boy, that's what I'm talking about, whooo hoo, in your face dance as I stared down at this fish. I even said that's right you're staying there while I put this hook away! Childish yes I know. :p

So both Damsels are now residents of my sump. My SaddleBack Clown is also hanging out in there because I moved him from my show fuge in anticipation of having to put the cardinals in the fuge for the time being.

Sufficed to say, I had the most relaxing dinner with my wife after that. ;)

Thanks again for all the great suggestions- especially all the amusing ones!
I now have a school of 8 blue eyed cardinals in place of the damsels.

*Disclaimer- No fish were actually harmed during this nonsense. :p

Total Count-
Homemade Water Bottle Fish Traps- 4 Damsels
Night Fishing- 1 Damsel
Baited Hook and Line- 2 Damsels


Satan has been banished to the sump :)

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Readings from tonight:

Temp: 81
SG- 1.0245
PH- 8.1
Alk- 3meg/L 8.4 Alk (buffed)
Calcium- 440
Phosphate- 0
Nitrate- .3

This is the first time I've read Nitrate in the tank. I was curious to see what the readings would be tonight since the sump changes, and the tank has now been skimmerless approximately 10 days. The replacement for my broken MSX Mini S was supposed to be here today. Guess not.
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Here's the Wellso under the 420/460 bulbs:

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White Balance Adjusted:

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Violet Leather under 420/460 bulbs:

White Balance Adjusted:

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No adjustment :eek2:

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White Balance adjusted from the top. Such amazing color:

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The fuzzy stuff near the zoanthids aren't algae at all, they are hydroids. They tend to sting their neighbors, so you can try to kill them with kalkwasser paste (or cover/smother them with 2-part putty), being careful not to get any on the other corals.

Love your pictures. Did you include the "Violet Leather"? I can't see that one.

Fishing in your reef. Not something I'll try any time soon, I'm sure. Let's see a picture of this might hook of yours. :D
 
The fuzzy stuff near the zoanthids aren't algae at all, they are hydroids.

Wow, thanks for this. I've asked for IDs of this many times and never gotten an answer. I never thought of hydroids as soft, because I always think of them in their "worm" state. You're right, they've smothered quite a few of my zoanthids. I'm going to try the kalk paste method. I've also noticed they don't like flow, so I moved my agitated sinularia over to the other side of the tank because of this.

Is there a natural predator by chance- or perhaps something you've noticed that eats them?

ove your pictures. Did you include the "Violet Leather"? I can't see that one.

Yup, the last 4 pictures. That's actually a leather. I had actually known of, and ID from ReefScience's site, where it is sold as an african leather:

http://www.reefscience.com/images/corals/0311/DSCN4780.JPG

I've also seen it mislabeled as Cespitularia, or True Blue Xenia. It's possible it's a distant cousin, but it is not Cespitularia as it has no algae pigment. I'm doing a little reading right now, because I may have not ID it correctly at all, and it may actually be some form of Cespitularia. :reading:

Fishing in your reef. Not something I'll try any time soon, I'm sure. Let's see a picture of this might hook of yours.

I'll get you a pic. Funny...I had a new member of CTARS stop over the house tonight to buy my reactors. While we're relaxing in the tank room I'm like what the?! Guess what was embedded in my sock? :p Had to use a pliers to rip it out and then it dropped somewhere on the dark blue carpet. LOL I had this poor guy on his hands and knees looking for a mini fish hook with me cause I was worried one of the kids was going to step on it. :mixed:
 
Good times! :lol: As a kid, my mother was always dropping pins in our shag carpet as she did a lot of sewing. I always found them with my feet, screaming when I did. Each time.











Yes, that's a true story. :rolleyes:
 
melev literally grew up on pins and needles. :worried2:

Let me guess, your entire house is hardwood floors. :lol:

After the first showed up with a broken stand, the replacement, my new toy, is finally here.
MSX Mini S:

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Next to my old Euro-Reef

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Very exciting! I can't wait to hear your feedback on that one. Is it sitting in the right depth of water in your sump, and what happens when the sump fills up when the return pump(s) are off?

It's ceramic tile actually. hehe
 
The sump runs approximately half full, or exactly 10" of water. I kept the ATO at exactly 10" in anticipation of the Mini cone as this is the recommended optimum water level for this skimmer.

I've simulated a failure, and after the water drains from the display and fuge- including any back siphon there is probably a good 18 gallon leeway before water would overflow through the hole I drilled for the lines. I'm all set.
 
WOW!

Looking really good! I really like the new light setup you have. Next time I'm headed east I'm going to give a call and see if I can pass by and see in person if its alright.

Nice sump btw. Looking forward to seeing that skimmer go to work.

I agree with Melev, clean that sand! (just don't look at my tank right now. Maybe its time for me to get off my... and do a water change now that summer is officially over.
 
Hey Vince! Thanks for stopping in!

Anytime you're out this way give me a call. You're always welcome at my house.
I'll make you a deal though, I'll let you see the tank if you let me see the new house! I'm glad to hear it's been coming along.

I'm with both of you on this one. It really does distract from the reef, so I'm going to order a couple clean up packages. I'm pushing my "reef" budget limit for the month with all these expenditures. :crazy1: :hmm2:

I've been meaning to get the boys some nice lights for their bedrooms since the temporary cheapo Walmart ones I bought them, when we first moved in the house, have since fallen apart. So our youngest and I took a trip to Lowes tonight and picked out some nice fixtures and reading lamps.
Just another expense for this month. ;)

This skimmer is flat out a beast. This videos is exactly 18hrs after being put into service. Still breaking in but already pulling skimmate. Look at the foam head. Wow.
 
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Thanks Electrobes!

A couple people asked for an updated shot of the show fuge. Here's the floor lamp I picked up tonight, with a 15watt cfl 6500k bulb, on my slow flow cube:

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Thanks Electrobes!

A couple people asked for an updated shot of the show fuge. Here's the floor lamp I picked up tonight, with a 15watt cfl 6500k bulb, on my slow flow cube:

Very nice! I've considered doing the same thing for quite some time. Thanks for posting.
 
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