Think I got a indo elegance coral

[elegance coral]

Gall crabs are pretty easy to spot, if you know what you're looking for. There will be a round spot on the skeleton, about the diameter of a pencil eraser or smaller, right were the tissue meets the skeleton. It won't look like a crab. It will simply look like a piece of the skeleton that grew funny. If you find a spot like this, take a sharp object and gently dig the crab out of its hole.

It is most likely discharging algae due to excessive lighting.

I personally have not tried the antibiotics. They may help, but they are not a cure. The problem, IMHO, is damaged tissue. The antibiotics may help keep down the risk of infection, but will not cure the root cause. If you can get your hands on this antibiotic, it may be worth a shot???????? With a coral like yours, that's not showing any signs of infection, I don't think I would try this. That's just me though.

 

[elegance coral]

. Given that time at which it was imported, it most likely is an Indo elegance correct?

Yes. Her elegance was an Indo. Back then, they were very healthy when we got them.
Take good care of that frag because the original is no longer with us.

 

[skyshrimp]

Darkxerox, yes it is a indo I believe.Do you have any pics of the ec frag you recieved? And does anyone know where I can get some doxy from? Elegance coral, by shading the ec to help it repair damage almost like a severe sunburn that needs care?

 

[DarkXerox]

Mine is here to the left of the blasto and is slightly shaded, but ~24 inches (diagonally) from my 250w halide and gets a pretty good amount of flow as you can see:

As for doxycycline I just did a quick search and found this: http://www.amazon.com/Aquatic-Doxycycline-100mg-Capsules-Antibiotic/dp/B004HIG3G6

I'm sure you could crush it with a mortar and pestle then dose a holding tank you want to use. But I agree with EC, if it doesn't show any physical damage, it may just stress it further.

I've been feeding mine Fauna Marin LPS pellets every week or so.

 

[skyshrimp]

Thanks darkxerox. It seems to be getting a little better now with more pe. I moved it to a area with lower flow and shaded it and it looks better and better every time I look at it. Still keeping a eye on it just in case. Ill keep you all updated

 

[pitmindi]

I have had an elegance for about 5 months and I thought it would die quickly from reading all the posts (my husband got it for me as a surprise) and I dont know where it was from but it has been doing great although the ones he didnt sell looked horrible when I saw them in his store about a month later. All I did was place it directly on my sandbed, which is about 7", and placed the elegance on its side facing the glass. It often inflates itself especially towards the night. Its tentacles are not long, esp when it inflates. I feed mysis daily to the tank for the fish and cyclopeese about 2 times a week, and other coral food but dont target feed the elegance. My light is 4 HOT5 with the blues on for 11 hours and the white on for 6 hours. Yours looks like mine, no different.

 

[Theprettycolors]

Thank you for the great insight!

Thank you for the great insight!

You can not look at an elegance and be absolutely positive, in most cases. Generally speaking, the Indo's will have an unbroken, dirty, flattened, cone shaped skeleton, like the one pictured above. Australian collectors typically collect larger corals, from cleaner environments. Then before they're exported, they're fragged. So, the Aussies usually have clean white skeletons that has been cut on one, or both ends. I haven't seen an elegance come out of Indonesia that I would consider "healthy" in about ten years. If you find one with long thin tentacles, like the one in my avatar, or this video, you can be fairly confident it came from Australia.
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[skyshrimp]

Ok heres an update. recently my ec hasnt been trying to open much because my bullet goby has been dumping sand all over it irritating it. Ive been tryin to trap the goby to remove him. He stirs up too much debris in my tank any way and water always looks cloudy. I ordered some doxycycline just in case I may need it. I created a sort of shelter for the ec until I can catch the goby which doesnt look like it will be any time soon. Also darkxerox what kind of lighting do you use I see the colors on you corzls pop really good. Anyway heres pics of the ec and its make shift shelter.

 

[mscarpena]

I would pull yours out of the sand a little more. Looks like it is irritated. I know probably from the goby, but flesh should not be buried in the sand .

 

[Theprettycolors]

He does not look to good.

He does not look to good.

Ok heres an update. recently my ec hasnt been trying to open much because my bullet goby has been dumping sand all over it irritating it. Ive been tryin to trap the goby to remove him. He stirs up too much debris in my tank any way and water always looks cloudy. I ordered some doxycycline just in case I may need it. I created a sort of shelter for the ec until I can catch the goby which doesnt look like it will be any time soon. Also darkxerox what kind of lighting do you use I see the colors on you corzls pop really good. Anyway heres pics of the ec and its make shift shelter.

 

[skyshrimp]

Yes he doesnt look good I think he may be taking a turn for the worse im looking at it righr now and it doesnt look correctly deflated. Almost looks like a baloon animal, some parts are deflated and some are really puffy and short temticled. If the doxycycline doesnt work I just dont know what to do. Next time ill just have to make sure its an ec from a aussie source. Any one know of any definate aussies I can get my hands on in case this little guy dies on me.

 

[skyshrimp]

Ok so heres the weekly update. Got my doxycycline in the mail yesterday and have its as a standby or yntil I know how to effectively use it. The ec looks alot better after I sheilded it from the goby sand disaster. Now that it is protected it looks alot better it expands more and seems like the tenticles get longer and longer every few days but very slightly. But here are updated pics and comment as you wish.

 

[partydiver]

So what happened???

 

[180+55reef]

so the indo ones are deep water collected and need to be shaded? .............seems like a good take away from this thread

good luck with yours also!

 

[skyshrimp]

Sorry i didnt see the post until now, but i no longer have this coral. It seemed like they died because i ran out if doxycycliene medication for it. I say they because i fragged each mouth and ended up with 3 parts. They luved for about a month then i ran out of the meds and they kinda melted away. Had them in qt and everything. Too bad elegance is a beautiful coral.

 

[coralsurfer]

May I ask why you dosed this animal?
It did look indeed ****y for whatever reason but the tissue looked healthy.
One must realize that these specimen love dirty grassy environments. You seem to have it out in the open and the eggcrate really is not doing it any good. IMHO.
It is indeed a beautiful coral you have there tho.

 

[Islandfever]

+100 :thumbsup:

Jakarta is the capital of Indonesia, and where most Indonesian corals are shipped out from. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your coral is very ill, and it's going to be that way for a long long time. If it survives at all. Please, if you ever purchase another elegance, please, please, please make sure it was collected in Australia. Part of the problem with these corals is that Indonesia has raped the collection sites and now the collectors are forced to dive to deeper depths to collect them. So, when you buy an Indonesian elegance, the natural environment gets raped a little more, you throw your money away, and another animal dies a meaningless death.

Please don't take what I said personally. I'm just trying to get the point across to people that may be reading this, that buying these corals is a very very very bad idea.

Your placement on the PVC is perfect. These guys are VERY sensitive to increases in light, so try to keep it somewhat shaded. It may begin producing excess mucus. If it does, it will be worse in the mornings. It will need to be remove as soon as possible. Simply waving your hand over the coral usually dislodges it. Then it can easily be removed from the tank with a small fish net.

HTH
EC

 

[elegance coral]

One must realize that these specimen love dirty grassy environments.

This is a long held myth that simply is not true. These are stony corals, and as such, prosper in clean, nutrient poor environments. Due to the life cycle of this animal, some individuals are forced to survive in habitats that are less than ideal. That doesn't mean we should duplicate those harsh conditions in captivity.

 

[united417]

Jakarta is the capital of Indonesia, and where most Indonesian corals are shipped out from. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your coral is very ill, and it's going to be that way for a long long time. If it survives at all. Please, if you ever purchase another elegance, please, please, please make sure it was collected in Australia. Part of the problem with these corals is that Indonesia has raped the collection sites and now the collectors are forced to dive to deeper depths to collect them. So, when you buy an Indonesian elegance, the natural environment gets raped a little more, you throw your money away, and another animal dies a meaningless death.

Please don't take what I said personally. I'm just trying to get the point across to people that may be reading this, that buying these corals is a very very very bad idea.

Your placement on the PVC is perfect. These guys are VERY sensitive to increases in light, so try to keep it somewhat shaded. It may begin producing excess mucus. If it does, it will be worse in the mornings. It will need to be remove as soon as possible. Simply waving your hand over the coral usually dislodges it. Then it can easily be removed from the tank with a small fish net.

HTH
EC

Definitely got the point across and I am certainly now more aware, thanks EC:wavehand:!

 

[sjfishguy]

This is a long held myth that simply is not true. These are stony corals, and as such, prosper in clean, nutrient poor environments. Due to the life cycle of this animal, some individuals are forced to survive in habitats that are less than ideal. That doesn't mean we should duplicate those harsh conditions in captivity.

Not sure where you are getting this info from? There was a thread on RC somewhere started by a guy from Australia collecting ducans and all kinds of stuff from a creek under a bridge. Tons of pics, really cool thead; I just searched for it and can't find it. Water was shallow and filthy, LPS growing in muddy gunk. Just because a coral is a stony, doesn't mean it grows in "pristine" water. There are plenty of LPS that come from dirty waters all over the world. SPS, not so much, but it does happen.

Anyway, I just got a beautiful aussie elegance from divers den that is going at the bottom of my SPS reef. Is there a record of these things eating cleaner shrimp or small fish out of the tank? I didn't really think about it but now I am little nervous about my blue-striped pipefish. This thing looks like an anemone in sitting on the bottom.