Thumbs up for Ozone!

[RichConley]

Looks like you're ok on that.

Theres an easy way to check if your ozone generator is all gummed up. Unplug it, pull the airlines off, and blow on one of the airline hookups. If air flows through reasonably easy, its clear. If its tough, then its gummed up.

 

[Zoom]

Is now a week with the New RS ozonizer, i only use 25Mg so far with a red sea 100Mg unit water clarity is what I was looking for and I got it.
I don't use a controller because my previous Red sea 200MG deluxe unit was never able to get the opr up above 350 mv even running it at full throttle.

 

[RichConley]

Sounds like there was something wrong with your old unit.


I wouldnt go any higher than 25mg without a controller on that tank.


I run about 6-8mg and it goes on and off all the time, and it keeps my 75 g of water at 400, so 25 should be able to keep yours up there, and it may go higher.

Be careful.

 

[Zoom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7339580#post7339580 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Sounds like there was something wrong with your old unit.


I wouldnt go any higher than 25mg without a controller on that tank.


I run about 6-8mg and it goes on and off all the time, and it keeps my 75 g of water at 400, so 25 should be able to keep yours up there, and it may go higher.

Be careful.

The tank total water volume is 240G total fish measurement 30".
I use the old unit for 7- 8 years . I will order me a new controller and let you know.

 

[thrlride]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7339580#post7339580 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Sounds like there was something wrong with your old unit.


I wouldnt go any higher than 25mg without a controller on that tank.


I run about 6-8mg and it goes on and off all the time, and it keeps my 75 g of water at 400, so 25 should be able to keep yours up there, and it may go higher.

Be careful.

I hope that proves to be true. I have the 50 mg/hr unit that will go on a 280 TSV system.

 

[Zoom]

I just order the Milwaukee ORP controller I will have it Friday I will let you all know .
I'm almost positive I don't need it, but I like to be sure I don't kill anything in the tank.
I split my ozone to my two Deltec 1260 pumps so I can pump up to 100Mg of ozone if i need to . Will see.
I hope you are correct Rich Conley if you are not I will send you the bill for the controller :lol: :rollface: :rollface:

 

[RichConley]

Right now, I'm using a sander C50. I have it turned up about 1/3 of the way. I'm not using an air dryer, so its not at very high efficiency, so I'm probably only running 5-10mg/hr.

This is on a 58g tank, with
2xperc clowns(3.5",3")
1 potters angel(4")
1 Halicoeres Iridis(4.5")
1 Cirrhilabrus Cyanopleura (5")
1 Cirrhilabrus exquisitus (3.5")
2 Magropharangydon Meleagris (4",3")

So I have 30.5 Inches of fish in this tank, and my orp stays at 380 (which is where it is set) Controller probably runs 15 minutes, and then turns off for 15.

Orp will drop 50 points right after a feeding, but is back up in 3 of 4 hours. I dont have a really big skimmer (Turboflotor 1000), so you guys should have an even easier time.

So you're at 4x my water volume, so you really shouldnt need more than 50mg/hr or so, on a controller. Like I said, I wouldnt go high without a controller, but thats just becaues I've seen mine rise from like 240 (right after I cleaned the sump, did a big WC, etc) to 350 in a matter of hours.


That being said, theres not a huge differnce between the 50mg unit and the 200(pricewise), so maybe get the big one and keep it turned down.

 

[jay24k]

I thought I read on the part 3 of the ozone that air dryers aren't really needed and don't add much effeciency. When he measured the ozone concentration coming out with and without a dryer, it showed no difference in the water. It's in the latest reefkeeping.

 

[Zoom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7343724#post7343724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
I thought I read on the part 3 of the ozone that air dryers aren't really needed and don't add much effeciency. When he measured the ozone concentration coming out with and without a dryer, it showed no difference in the water. It's in the latest reefkeeping.

If you read it carefully you see that he test it in the time that the surrounding area was low in humidity also he said he will try to test it again when the humidity get up higher.
I live in NJ and the humidity in my home is low in the winter time but in the summer watch out . So you don't have to use a air dryer in the winter months if you using a heater to heat your home your humidity will by low also if you live in Arizona you don't need one :lol: so it all depends where you live .
You don't think Red sea will include a air dryer with every ozonizer they sell if they don't need one.

 

[mikeguerrero]

Jay24k,

The way I learned about the airdryer is not related to ozone concentration in water; at least not any measurements that I have seen.

I read that the purpose of the airdryer is to prolong the ozone unit itself, it's related to air moisture in the air; a humid sump will cause humidity to rise and then that is directly absorbed by the ozone unit.

The end result is my Sanders unit needing a thorough cleaning to detach grude build up that would have otherwise been prevented by a airdryer; at least to a higher degree.

So, I'd like to see test done on usage of an airdryer on a Sanders unit with and without; just measure by visual inspection on the remote glass of the ozone unit. If there is more buildup on units that don't run a airdryer than the purpose is clear.

Just my opinion; as I am a owner of the airdryer and sanders unit.

MG

 

[DeltecRules]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7343965#post7343965 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mikeguerrero
Jay24k,

The way I learned about the airdryer is not related to ozone concentration in water; at least not any measurements that I have seen.

I read that the purpose of the airdryer is to prolong the ozone unit itself, it's related to air moisture in the air; a humid sump will cause humidity to rise and then that is directly absorbed by the ozone unit.

The end result is my Sanders unit needing a thorough cleaning to detach grude build up that would have otherwise been prevented by a airdryer; at least to a higher degree.

So, I'd like to see test done on usage of an airdryer on a Sanders unit with and without; just measure by visual inspection on the remote glass of the ozone unit. If there is more buildup on units that don't run a airdryer than the purpose is clear.

Just my opinion; as I am a owner of the airdryer and sanders unit.

MG

Mike is there any other way to clean these sander ozone units? I cleaned the white plate thing with a damp towel, and the metal plate intake and out take holes, and that little rubber band thing. I haven't used an air dryer ever since I bought this 8 months ago. I notice the efficiency has gone down, I can still smell the ozone, but I do notice on the white plate thing that its kind of light brownish near the center and I can't even clean that area, no matter how many times I wipe it down. I wrote to sander and they told me to send the unit back to them so they can repair it. I wonder how much shipping would be to germany :/

Scott

 

[mikeguerrero]

Scott,

I havent' had to clean my unit yet as it's only 4 months young. I have had the ORP climb way down from where I use to be, but my tank is going through so many changes...

For example I've added UV unit and I'm currently treating my tank with AZ N03 absolute zero nitrate...

I have shut down my Ozone unit while I treat, just running UV unit...

If Sanders wants to repair your unit go for it... Postal is cheap nowadays...

MG

 

[poknsnok]

hey Mike... Ive had my Ozone on my Deltec for about 2 months and yesterday I checked my Deltec air tap and it was not stopping any air. took it off and peered inside and what I saw was alarming. The red part of the tap was bleached and cracked. I broke it open and found there are 3 little o-rings in the tap. 2 of which were broken. I run approg 50-75 mg into my skimmer but it is difuse thru my mixing chamber. (see gallery). Im very alarmed at what ozone can do to a very expensive piece of equipment. and am considering a separate reactor. have you had problems with your air tap? you may want to check it out

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7343724#post7343724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jay24k
I thought I read on the part 3 of the ozone that air dryers aren't really needed and don't add much effeciency. When he measured the ozone concentration coming out with and without a dryer, it showed no difference in the water. It's in the latest reefkeeping.

Right, but they crud up with no air dryer, so over the long run, they dont work as well because its tougher to pump air through them.

Also, the humidity in my rooms stays pretty high.

 

[mikeguerrero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7344937#post7344937 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poknsnok
hey Mike... Ive had my Ozone on my Deltec for about 2 months and yesterday I checked my Deltec air tap and it was not stopping any air. took it off and peered inside and what I saw was alarming. The red part of the tap was bleached and cracked. I broke it open and found there are 3 little o-rings in the tap. 2 of which were broken. I run approg 50-75 mg into my skimmer but it is difuse thru my mixing chamber. (see gallery). Im very alarmed at what ozone can do to a very expensive piece of equipment. and am considering a separate reactor. have you had problems with your air tap? you may want to check it out

Wow,

That is very alarming and I'm glad you brought it up on this forum as many have the same setup as us...

My airtap on my skimmer is set to wide open, so I don't know if the O rings are destroyed...

If they were it's not an issue because I don't close the valve, no need to the way my skimmer is running but I see it as a big problem for users that have it somewhat closed...

On my calcium reactor I do use the airtap to slow down the intake of water entering the chamber and that tap has gone bad, I need to have Doug at Deltec send me out a new one...

I do use that a lot to control flow so that is a big issue for me...

Talking about Ozone, after reading part 3 of Randys report he states that a lot of 1st time users of ozone get a high or not significant reading.

I was one that got an extremely high reading I was able to get up to 410 mv with Ozone...

But today about 4 months later of constant ozone use along with UV I get only up to 310 mv...

The odd thing is that my tank is crystal clear as I remember it when it use to be at 410 mv...

Just to make sure my controller wasn't off I personally ordered the correct solution for my controller and took pictures as I calbrated it correctly...

My particular probe needs to be from 200 to 275 mv and it was at 295...

I set it back to 265 mv at the recommendation of my manufacture and it has been working great...

Water is very crystal clear....

Is anyone else experience this drop in ORP but running super clear water????

Mike G

 

[mikeguerrero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7344937#post7344937 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poknsnok
hey Mike... Ive had my Ozone on my Deltec for about 2 months and yesterday I checked my Deltec air tap and it was not stopping any air. took it off and peered inside and what I saw was alarming. The red part of the tap was bleached and cracked. I broke it open and found there are 3 little o-rings in the tap. 2 of which were broken. I run approg 50-75 mg into my skimmer but it is difuse thru my mixing chamber. (see gallery). Im very alarmed at what ozone can do to a very expensive piece of equipment. and am considering a separate reactor. have you had problems with your air tap? you may want to check it out

Wow,

That is very alarming and I'm glad you brought it up on this forum as many have the same setup as us...

My airtap on my skimmer is set to wide open, so I don't know if the O rings are destroyed...

If they were it's not an issue because I don't close the valve, no need to the way my skimmer is running but I see it as a big problem for users that have it somewhat closed...

On my calcium reactor I do use the airtap to slow down the intake of water entering the chamber and that tap has gone bad, I need to have Doug at Deltec send me out a new one...

I do use that a lot to control flow so that is a big issue for me...

Talking about Ozone, after reading part 3 of Randys report he states that a lot of 1st time users of ozone get a high or not significant reading.

I was one that got an extremely high reading I was able to get up to 410 mv with Ozone...

But today about 4 months later of constant ozone use along with UV I get only up to 310 mv...

The odd thing is that my tank is crystal clear as I remember it when it use to be at 410 mv...

Just to make sure my controller wasn't off I personally ordered the correct solution for my controller and took pictures as I calbrated it correctly...

My particular probe needs to be from 200 to 275 mv and it was at 295...

I set it back to 265 mv at the recommendation of my manufacture and it has been working great...

Water is very crystal clear....

Is anyone else experience this drop in ORP but running super clear water????

Mike G

 

[mikeguerrero]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7344937#post7344937 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by poknsnok
hey Mike... Ive had my Ozone on my Deltec for about 2 months and yesterday I checked my Deltec air tap and it was not stopping any air. took it off and peered inside and what I saw was alarming. The red part of the tap was bleached and cracked. I broke it open and found there are 3 little o-rings in the tap. 2 of which were broken. I run approg 50-75 mg into my skimmer but it is difuse thru my mixing chamber. (see gallery). Im very alarmed at what ozone can do to a very expensive piece of equipment. and am considering a separate reactor. have you had problems with your air tap? you may want to check it out

Wow,

That is very alarming and I'm glad you brought it up on this forum as many have the same setup as us...

My airtap on my skimmer is set to wide open, so I don't know if the O rings are destroyed...

If they were it's not an issue because I don't close the valve, no need to the way my skimmer is running but I see it as a big problem for users that have it somewhat closed...

On my calcium reactor I do use the airtap to slow down the intake of water entering the chamber and that tap has gone bad, I need to have Doug at Deltec send me out a new one...

I do use that a lot to control flow so that is a big issue for me...

Talking about Ozone, after reading part 3 of Randys report he states that a lot of 1st time users of ozone get a high or not significant reading.

I was one that got an extremely high reading I was able to get up to 410 mv with Ozone...

But today about 4 months later of constant ozone use along with UV I get only up to 310 mv...

The odd thing is that my tank is crystal clear as I remember it when it use to be at 410 mv...

Just to make sure my controller wasn't off I personally ordered the correct solution for my controller and took pictures as I calbrated it correctly...

My particular probe needs to be from 200 to 275 mv and it was at 295...

I set it back to 265 mv at the recommendation of my manufacture and it has been working great...

Water is very crystal clear....

Is anyone else experience this drop in ORP but running super clear water????

Mike G

 

[Zoom]

I waited till i had my Milwaukee controller running for four days till i give some fed back so you can see if i need it or not.

Here is some #
Day one running ozone at 25Mg to each pump no air valve just two Tee's and the Y at the ozonizer output. i split the ozonizer output to my two pumps at the skimmer .
I started at pumping 25Mg to each pump ORP 285 in one hour.
Day two 25Mg to each pump total ozone output 50Mg ORP now 305 in the day time 325 in the morning.
Day three 50Mg to each pump total ozone output 100MG ORP 345 day time 355 in the morning.
As you see so far i'm not even close to the danger zone is almost four days the ORP stays around 325 and 355.Mv.
The water is clean now but i think still not 100% i think i need more time to see if the ORP will get any higher.
So far the controller is much more stable than the old one i had and is not drifting is much way better than my old one.

 

[RichConley]

Zoom, how is your skimmer performing. I found that when I ran like that, I had a ton of problems because the skimmer wasnt getting enough air.

 

[Zoom]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7370538#post7370538 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Zoom, how is your skimmer performing. I found that when I ran like that, I had a ton of problems because the skimmer wasnt getting enough air.

I don't know what you mean by "I ran like that" I have a large Deltec skimmer with two eheim pumps I get plenty of air to the skimmer with or without the ozonizer pump running i use a 1/4 Tee on the top where the air valves was it is a strait run so it is no restriction.The skimmer nog volume is almost 1/4 that what was but i know the ozone is burning everything up before they get to the skimmer cup.
If you like to see some pictures of the set up i get some for you tonight.
And this morning the ORP was 365.Mv.